Transcript: Fauci's Paper Trail: How the Lab Leak Was Buried

Marty Bent [0:07] You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free.

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Jessica Rose [0:25] In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

Marty Bent [0:32] If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Jessica Rose [0:34] Probably should be. Probably should be.

Marty Bent [0:36] Jessica Rose, welcome back to the show.

Jessica Rose [0:39] Hello, Marty. I'm so sorry I was late.

Marty Bent [0:42] It was, uh, it was for good artistic inspiration. And I'm not, I'm not one to, uh, get perturbed when somebody gets lost in their creative craft. I, I think it's a lost art or dying art that needs to be nurtured. So I'm more than happy to sit here and wait on my back porch for 30 minutes.

Jessica Rose [1:00] Awesome. And for those who don't know, I do write music and I got a melody in my head on a walk and it was so— I had to lay it down. So I started doing that as soon as I got back and it's turning into a track and I'm really starting to like it. And I just get lost. nothing exists. So yeah, I looked up at my clock and it was like a half hour into our interview time. So thank you for being forgiving for the artist.

Marty Bent [1:37] Well, it's easier too because it provides a good segue into what we're going to discuss, which is proximal worldbuilding.

Jessica Rose [1:45] That's why I think it came out because I need the levity, You know, the musicality and the creative side instead of this probing personal emails thing. As you can see, I've been busy.

Marty Bent [2:05] Well, you worked 2 great poems into the piece. You started with one. So we're going to talk about Proximal Origin, the paper that locked in the narrative to usher in the plandemic. A lot of this information In the analysis that you did is coming from Senator Johnson and Senator Paul's, I guess, grilling of Anthony Fauci. It wasn't really a grilling since he pled the Fifth, but I think this is really important. I think our conversations over the last 2 years on this topic, in many different facets of the topic of COVID-19, the vaccines, the response, the reaction to everything, has been seated in. We're looking for accountability, and it looks like we may be on the path towards that.

Marty Bent [2:05] But I think the hearings happened, there was a ton of clips, but we need to keep beating the drum. And like I said, you provide a good segue because I really like this poem. I have a vested interest in finding what SARS— where SARS was made and by whom it was first arrayed. Not for the geopolitics game, nor to expose the cover-up shame, but I fight for those who cannot stand the injured, the dead across the land. the persecuted, the innocent hands. This is what it's all for, accountability for these people.

Jessica Rose [3:17] Yeah.

Marty Bent [3:18] And I think what Senators Johnson and Paul brought to the hearings in terms of evidence, you sifted through that and really highlighted the contradictions and the overt criminality and backdoor dealing and really the crafting of the narrative, particularly Around the topic of how SARS-CoV-2, or COVID-19, I'll just call it, was, was created. Was it in a lab? Was it at, at this wet market? And it's pretty clear that they were really trying to force the narrative that it was the wet market.

Jessica Rose [3:57] Yeah, it's just amazing. It's a bottomless pit. Like, I think Jeffrey Tucker and I are tied. Like, there's probably a million other people too, but like, I speak to Jeffrey the most I might be going in and out of connection, so forgive me for that. What I was saying was, it's a bottomless pit. I mean, these, these email releases are thousands of pages long. The one that Jeffrey Tucker and I have been combing over was like 1,300 pages. But there's another one I found in my research. It could have been this Proximal Origins one or my more recent one about Robert Gallo, which we should talk about, which has 3,200 pages of emails.

Jessica Rose [3:57] And these are like, there is some repetition and overlap, but these are new emails. And they, it's like, you can't go through it page by page. You just can't. We're not computers. So I've come up with methodologies. Like my shtick is like, bringing to light what they were saying, the truth about what they were saying with the mRNA shots, you know. So I will use the keyword mRNA or Moderna or harms or adverse events or something like that. And I'll, I'll pick, you know, or I'll sift through it in that way, which has been very fruitful. I mean, I can't believe what I've found. It's it's nothing new to me per se because I've been digging through this for so many years.

Jessica Rose [3:57] But I was saying to Jeffrey yesterday when we did our interview, um, it's still jarring to see it written down in in March 2020 as the the inner thoughts of the person who. Who maybe he didn't cause all of it, but he was the face of all of it, and he accepted that role. And he, you know, he reveled in being that person, the science. And yeah, and now, now he, he just, you know, closes the zipper and won't even answer the question, what color is the carpet? I mean, come on, dude. Like, if you're the science, you can ask— you can answer a basic question for us, can't you?

Jessica Rose [3:57] So yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's gonna happen. Nobody is. I mean, he was found to be in contempt of Congress. That's, that's a positive note. But what's gonna happen next? I mean, I think that's gonna depend on what we find in these phone calls, because if we, for example, see the continuation of a phone call between him and Francis Collins, And I don't know, somebody else, some, some person who works at Moderna, you know, saying things about the fact that the lipid nanoparticles are too toxic to put into human beings. You know what I mean? Like that, that's going to be—

Marty Bent [7:13] whoo!

Jessica Rose [7:14] Because that's going to be admission. And then, in my opinion, we can prove intent to harm. Right. That's the problem. Like we—

Marty Bent [7:23] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [7:24] To date, we don't really have the ability to prove intent because it's really hard to do that because you can't really know what somebody's thinking. But if they said it in a phone call, yeah.

Marty Bent [7:34] Yeah, it's there. And that pertains to the vaccine stuff. I think for this, for the Proximal Origin paper, I think the backstory of how this came to be is pretty important because, I mean, you lay it out in the article. There was some backroom dealing. Bill Gates was involved.

Jessica Rose [7:54] Oh, yeah.

Marty Bent [7:55] Wrote a memo. I guess the process of starting the creation or the publication of the paper and the peer review process was something like 45 days, which is completely anomalous for peer-reviewed studies historically. And I think it would be important for the audience to really understand what was happening behind the scenes between early February and late April 2020 when all this was happening? Who was involved and what were they conspiring in the background?

Jessica Rose [8:30] So, I mean, we can only hypothesize again because we don't really know what people are thinking, even if they say things in emails. But there was a crew of guys who are the authors of the Proximal Origins paper, and this paper basically just negates any idea that goes against the idea that this was of natural origin, which completely abdicates, or it, what's that word that when you can't be found guilty, abdicates? No, I don't remember the word.

Marty Bent [9:09] Abdicate.

Jessica Rose [9:11] Yeah. So it means that they didn't make it. They needed this paper to be published in the way that it was published, even though in the Slack messages that were released, Christian Andersen is very clear in conversations he had with his fellow co-authors that they were worried about the furin cleavage site, for example. They were concerned that this was a definitive sign that this might have been engineered. Christian is also noted to have said that he didn't want the paper to be published when it was published. He said it wasn't ready, and they went ahead and did it anyway. And by they, I mean the people who interjected and made this all happen on the infamous February 1st phone call, which involved Tony Fauci, Ralph Baric, Francis Collins, and a whole lot of other people with a lot of money, a lot of power, and a lot of influence.

Jessica Rose [9:11] And Gates was involved as well. So I think that they needed this to— they needed to completely abolish the idea in the mind of the public that there was a possibility, even a remote possibility, that this was engineered somehow or that it was a lab leak, you know, because first of all, because of the chaos. Second of all, because just imagine that playing out. If people had known that this SARS-CoV-2 chimeric virus, which was made in a lab, if that was— if the spike protein of that virus was the coding material that they used for the injections, for the mRNA-LNP so-called vaccines, do you think anybody would have gone near it with a 10-foot pole?

Jessica Rose [9:11] Like, this is my thinking behind why it was so important for them, besides the panic. This, this is the reason why they had to completely abolish any notion of engineering, because they themselves, you know, came out and said, yes, we're going to use the spike protein with a double proline mutation and there's pre-fusion contact or confirmation, um, from the Wuhan strain. That's why I called it the original Wuhan chicken recipe. No one would have gone for it even if they did call it a vaccine. So, um, yeah. Exactly. There's a memo in, uh, in this, uh, string of emails. This, this is actually the ones about Gates.

Jessica Rose [9:11] And his role. And on April 22nd— these are all dated, it's just lovely— he writes a multi-page memo to Fauci outlining what he thinks should be done in terms of pandemic responses. And of course, he's infamously said that he thinks there are too many people in the world. And here he says the goal is to vaccinate the entire world. And we all remember that he said every single person, no matter what age or health status or, you know, where they live, they have to get injected with this crap. There was a plan in place and it involved all of these people. Yeah, I know. I know that Rand Paul is going to have to—

Marty Bent [12:54] I fat fingered the sharing of this email.

Jessica Rose [12:58] Oh, no worries. There's no doubt that a lot of people are saying—

Marty Bent [13:03] I mean, our lag is kicking in now, but I said I wanted to bring it up because I think after reading your article and obviously covering this for the last many years, I think it's obvious that the importance of pushing the proximal origin paper on the public was to justify the vaccines. And I think these— this email from April of 2020 is a smoking gun leaning in that direction.

Jessica Rose [13:36] Absolutely. And if you haven't seen yet, Marty, there's a screenshot that I've made go viral that I found where one of the people— forgive me, I can't remember the name because there's too many— is quoted in one of her emails to others in the context of the, I think it was the phase 2 trials, maybe it was the phase 3 of the Moderna, that Fauci had his foot on her neck. Or she's quoted to have said that in his words, I hope you feel like my foot is on your neck, get this done. Like it was threatening what he said, quite threatening, physically threatening. It wasn't just about like, we care so much about the public and we need to get this vaccine because SARS is so dangerous.

Jessica Rose [13:36] No, there was more than that going on here. Nobody, yeah, there it is. I hope you feel like my foot is on your neck right now to get this done in the context of pushing the Moderna through clinical trial testing. Remember how fast they got this done? Remember how safe and effective it was? Come on now. This was, this was about money. It was about pipelines already being active. This was about like eventually when they were pushing all this booster crap, this was about them making too so much product and it's sitting on pallets and they need to get rid of it. They wanted to make more money.

Jessica Rose [13:36] Ultimately, I think the whole thing happened was to usher in the age of gene therapy. Because just now, I think it was August fifth, the FDA approved what what is it called? It's one of these dumb names they come up with vaccines for vaccines like flu fluva mom along. I wrote a substack about it today. Just let me check the name. M fluzy ziva.

Marty Bent [15:40] I got it right here.

Jessica Rose [15:42] Yeah. So yeah, they they they approved that today and. If you guys don't know, I mean, it's right there in the safety data in the document that I shared in my Substack. More people died on the mRNA-1010, which is the Fluvisiva, whatever the hell it's called, than in the what they call a comparator group. Now, notice that they don't say in the placebo group. Because there was no placebo group. The comparator group had a different flu vaccine. So if you compare the 2, still more people died in the context of the mRNA product. But I made a little chart. You might want to put this up, Marty, from my Substack, where I hypothesized that if there had been a saline placebo used, We would assume that that wouldn't cause any severe or serious adverse events, and it wouldn't cause any deaths because it's saline.

Jessica Rose [15:42] And therefore, not only does it show this is how it should be done, this is how a vaccine trial should be done, it shows 30 times higher chance of dying if you take either flu product.

Marty Bent [17:06] It's crazy.

Jessica Rose [17:08] It's crazy. And they, they pulled the data and they sugarcoat it and, and they say, yeah, yeah, it's fine for old people. We're going to put this in old people. It's crazy. It's, it's like it's so not safe. We're not talking about like myocarditis here. We're talking about dying. Like, it's, it's wild. I'm, I'm, I'm in shock.

Marty Bent [17:33] Yeah, it's—

Jessica Rose [17:34] It's—

Marty Bent [17:35] it is— it is completely insane. I think this ties back to the Proximal Origin. I mean, your piece on the Proximal Origin paper. I mean, if you read through it and just watching the hearings and reading through some of the other emails that have been disclosed from, from this process, there's a degree of sociopathy with the people involved in this that I think really needs to be understood. at a deep level, because once you understand it at a deep level, you can't take anything they're pushing on you moving forward seriously. And I think examples that highlight this are Fauci's personal journal, which was completely insane the way he was talking about this stuff, the way he was getting glee in the fact that he was the most popular person in the world and he was on all these magazine covers and People were— he was even reveling in people bashing him.

Marty Bent [17:35] And then, like, the one part of your Substack on the Proximal Origin paper that really connected the dots on the sociopathy behind the scenes leaking into the mainstream was the CIA officer that came and gave a debrief about potentially being a lab leak and not being from the wet market. And in his personal journal, he was deriding the CIA agent, even though we have evidence that he thought it was at least plausible that it was a lab leak in the beginning. So he was creating a— he was manifesting a truth in his mind, and even in his personal journal, he was denying that truth, which was insane to me.

Marty Bent [17:35] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [19:24] Yeah, you, you guys really should read this, uh, this, uh, Substack I wrote too. It's horribly long. I'm sorry about that. But, uh, well, it's the same one actually.

Marty Bent [19:35] It's—

Jessica Rose [19:35] we're talking about Ian Lipkin here. He's, he's one of the guys who was on the Proximal Origins paper. And that's an interesting story as well, which gets revealed in these Slack messages. Like, just because of the fact that the Slack message group did not include Ian Lipkin, but it included the other 4 authors. So Lipkin wasn't really one of the, what I, who I call the PO boys, the Proximal Origin boys. He was kind of like on the outskirts. And they even say, Christian Andersen says, or he asks Eddie Holmes, like, in colorful language, like, who the hell, like, invited this guy onto the paper? And Eddie Holmes says, he invited himself, but I didn't object. That was his tone. And it got me thinking, geez, I'm so sorry. It feels like a year since I wrote this article, even though it was a few days ago. But it got me thinking about Ian Lipkin's— that's his name, right?

Marty Bent [20:45] I think so, yes.

Jessica Rose [20:50] Yeah, Lipkin. I was saying Lipton to myself last week. So yeah, it's Lipkin. I was wondering what his actual role as an intel operator was, and I can only speculate. I don't know. But the fact that he's on the paper is weird. No one can deny that. It's weird. Like, why? Why was he assigned to be one of the authors, kind of at the objection of the other four? And I wonder if it wasn't to at one point set the stage for the possibility of I don't know maybe throwing shade at the paper, like to cause trouble because I don't really know what the hell the CIA does.

Jessica Rose [20:50] But it seems like every time the CIA is involved. Involved in something, things get very confused. Like, it seems like their role is to conflate and confuse and, and cause chaos. And so I, I don't know. Like I said, I can only speculate as to his role. Maybe he was benevolent, and maybe, maybe his, his job as an operative or as an informant or whatever it was that he— whatever role he played Was to just bring back information to his people about what the PO boys were doing. I don't know. Because he did object.

Marty Bent [22:27] Sure, the PO boys were referring to him. But that was a year later, right? And the PO boys were referring to him as the butt lesion.

Jessica Rose [22:34] I'm sure they were referring to him as butt lesion. And I don't know, like I say in my article, I don't know what started that. I don't want to know. But yeah, they did describe him as butt lesion, and they didn't seem to like him very much. And one of the reasons was because Lipkin was going against the conclusions publicly of the paper later on, like you said. And they were all like, well, what the hell is this guy doing? And, you know, this is a problem for us. Um, um, but the thing about it was like, you know, it wasn't— we always have to remember it wasn't just Lipkin who, who was objecting.

Jessica Rose [22:34] It was those guys themselves while they were writing this paper. Like, they all, when they saw the furin cleavage site, when they saw the pangolin thing, they, they all freaked out. You can see it in their own words in these Slack messages. And, and the public, you know, there are lots of references to this, too. The public, the grand public was all like, you guys are a bunch of liars. , etc. Like, the wool was being— like, they tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the public, but it wasn't working. And you really see that in, in the emails and the Slack messages, like, how aware all of these people, all of them, were about the pushback from the public.

Jessica Rose [22:34] You also see them using the legacy media as a tool to push back against the people, the public. There's even a part where they have— they probably spent a lot of money on it. It was probably taxpayer money seeking out Twitter bots and people who were saying things online. And this was probably what prompted people to be removed off of Twitter. Texas Lindsey was one of them. I have a screenshot of that that I don't think I've shared, but, um, yeah, people I know. Like, my name's not in there, thank goodness, but, uh, they, they had, uh, they had, um, a lot of operations going on to make sure people shut the hell up about certain subject matters.

Jessica Rose [22:34] And, and this, this engineering Story is, is one of the ones, um, that I'm, you know, razor-focused on— lasers, sorry, laser-focused on— because I, I've looked at this upside down and backwards and sideways, and I, I know this was engineered. I mean, come on.

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Marty Bent [27:27] And so, like, the catty nature of the people who are trying to craft this narrative and form-fit a narrative into what they believed was important to get in front of the public so that they could cover their ass. And it's like a bunch of schoolgirls. And then to your point about mainstream media and who knows how much money they spent, and I don't think we have any direct evidence that they pressured the dictionary Webster, Merriam-Webster. But I think you open up the piece with the fact that they literally changed the definition of vaccine rather quickly as well to make it so that. The word vaccine in January, on January 26th, 2021, was redefined as an injection to stimulate an immune response as opposed to providing immunity.

Marty Bent [27:27] So like the Orwellian, the Orwellian nature of the narrative control, I mean, it was spread wide and far. Mainstream media, the official dictionary that people trust, other Researchers and immunologists who were trying to actually find the truth. It was it was a full-on blackout on anybody who was against the narrative.

Jessica Rose [29:24] Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, her name was Li Meng Yan. Sorry if I messed up your name. And she wrote the the Yan reports, and there are three of them. And yeah, I write about them here, and they really hated them. And another guy who published. a paper that they really hated. Yeah, he's a Stanford microbiologist with, you know, a long career, serious guy. Uh, he published a paper called To Stop the Next Pandemic, We Need to Unravel the Origins of COVID-19. That's a very non-threatening title, but they were very threatened by it. Anyone who even— it's so hypocritical too. Like, anybody who even wanted to look at this was like targeted.

Jessica Rose [29:24] At the same time, you can read this in the Slack messages, Christian freaked out when Ralph Baric basically called them all idiots in a meeting. I, I think it was a February 3rd meeting, I could be wrong. Um, when Christian wanted to examine the Fear and Cleavage site, and they, they referred to it like, okay, well, this is Ralph Baric's baby and he doesn't want anybody else looking at it. And it's like— It's so much to unpack psychologically, like, because if you think about it, um, Ralph Baric might be protective of this for a very, very good reason. You know what I mean? Think about preempt, think about Peter Daszak, think about their relationship, think about the fact that he has the knowledge and expertise to actually build this stupid thing.

Jessica Rose [29:24] Maybe he did, maybe he did it at UNC. Chapel Hill. Maybe he did it first. Maybe they offshored it to China and they reproduced his, you know what I mean? I'm saying a lot of things here that could probably get me removed from the universe, but I'm just speculating because, you know, this is part of the problem. Like, independent journalists and researchers have to dig through these little cookie crumb, you know, emails to try and figure out what the hell happened. And it affects, It literally affected every single human being on the planet. And it's not a small deal if they created a chimeric virus that was able to kill people.

Jessica Rose [29:24] I mean, it's really not a small deal. So, yeah, there was this conflict between— they were congenial. Sorry.

Marty Bent [31:55] It was like, and then you compound it with the vaccine. Right, like there is, it's very important to understand if this was created in a lab, but then if it was created in a lab, you know, the spike protein that you created in the lab is doing all this damage, and then you create a vaccine that reintroduces this, it's a compounding catastrophe.

Jessica Rose [32:18] Yeah, exactly. And it, like, you know, one of the first things I did was I aligned the sequence that was divulged online from the Wuhan strain with the alleged sequence that they— like, we couldn't get our hands on this easily, but at some point somebody got— somebody sequenced it and they got the Moderna and the Pfizer sequence. And I aligned these 2 and there are differences, like there are proline substitutions in the gene-based coding. But these little regions, these sequences of amino acids called— we just call them peptides— that have homology, 100% homology with human proteins. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at all the autoimmune reactions going on with people and equate it to that.

Jessica Rose [32:18] I mean, and if you want to say I'm full of shit, please, by all means, prove I'm full of shit. You know, and don't use bioinformatics. Like, actually do some lab work. Like, try and figure out what's behind the autoimmune reactions. Look at the autoantibodies that people, you know, have circulating in their plasma right now. Not just that. I mean, there's— I mean, I've written about 20 articles about the different little bits in the spike protein that cause pathology that are immunologically, like, Wrecking balls, basically. It's not just you know autoimmunity we're talking about. Like if you have autoantibodies attacking something having to do with immune cell production, for example, like you're in shit because it's gonna it's gonna wreak havoc on your immune system at the base level.

Jessica Rose [32:18] I mean, there's so many unanswered questions here, but there is no doubt that the spike protein is. really dangerous in terms of the human physiology. And the fact that— I was just talking about this yesterday with Jeffrey. Do you remember at the beginning, Marty, that they were having— like, some people were raising the question, like, why are you using the spike protein? Like, why not use some other part of the virus as the coding material? That was— that question was on the table, and it was a good question. And, you know, there were answers, this and that, but it was always going to be the spike protein, in my opinion.

Jessica Rose [32:18] And that means that there has to be a reason for that. And it's dark, but it's like, if— I just find it impossible to believe that the people who, who made these things don't know all of the things that we know. About the sequence, about these molecular mimic sites, about the super antigen sites, about the even these HIV inserts. I mean, there's they have to know the basic biology. They just have to use a simple bioinformatics tool, and they can they can find these these human homologous sites. They can find the amyloidogenic sites. They can find all of this stuff. So you can't convince me that these, these super intelligent people who are behind all of this didn't, didn't know.

Jessica Rose [32:18] And if they didn't know, then they're still culpable because, man, you can't inject billions of people with something that's this dangerous and then, you know, say, oh, well, I didn't know. You can't do that. I'm losing my thought because like I was saying yesterday, like I'm having to relive all this crap from the past 6 years through going through all these detailed files, and it's— I'm just as mad as I ever was that any of this happened. I mean, the human race was preyed upon in such a big way.

Marty Bent [36:29] Yeah, and they're, and they're continuing it. Like, like the mRNA flu vaccine that they're pushing out there, and it's still— I mean, we discussed this the last time you were on, but it was a big A big point of Maha joining up with MAGA is that we're going to get this off the schedule, and it doesn't seem like that's happened. I think it's still being recommended for for children, and these shots are still out there getting injected into people's arms. And that's again, I think the the running theme of our conversations over the years has been like we need to hold these people accountable and.

Marty Bent [36:29] Even though it, it does seem like we're making progress, and you have to, I guess, trust that the process is slow and arduous and it's not gonna happen overnight. And these hearings are very good to see, the fact that we'll get the transcripts of this phone call. Again, we're one foot in front of the other. More data is leaking, but I mean, the inability and the— maybe it's not the inability, they certainly have the ability to, but the— The refusal of the mainstream media to pick up on this and really educate the populace. Like, nobody knows about this unless you're on Twitter seeing the, the clips of the hearing of Fauci pleading the Fifth.

Marty Bent [36:29] Like, you didn't really, really become aware of that.

Jessica Rose [38:00] Exactly. And it's like, I haven't seen— well, maybe there's a couple legacy media outlets like reporting on all of this like explosive material. But like, you know, that, that woman on CNN who interviewed RFK the other day, I mean, she, she, she was so defensive of Fauci and what happened in the establishment and her, her role as a journalist, you know, to tell the truth. She thinks she's doing that. I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't believe it when I was watching it. I'm like, you can't, you can't be that stupid. You can't just deny, you know, what all of these people are saying. You're sitting across from the Secretary of HHS.

Jessica Rose [38:00] He's not full of shit whatsoever. He's a very accomplished lawyer. He has, by my assessment, he's never made a false statement about vaccines. There aren't any randomized controlled trials. Like this stupid flu vaccine that's coming out is a perfect example of what he was telling her. There's no placebo comparison. They're comparing this stupid new product that's completely experimental with another flu vaccine, which probably comes with a horde of adverse events as well. They don't tell you that. So it's, it's like, you know, beating a dead horse. Like, and the remarkable thing is that they're doing it willingly. Like, she, she was, she was indignant that he would even suggest that she wasn't telling the truth and doing her job as a journalist.

Jessica Rose [38:00] But it's so clear to all of us. I'm like, dude, you're brainwashed. You know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to insult her, but like, you, you really sound brainwashed. You, you can't defend what happened in the last 6 years. There's, there's been too much damage and loss, and, and, and there's been too much lying, and there's been too much censorship. As a journalist, you have to be aware of that. Come on. Come on now. So yeah, it's, um—

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Marty Bent [42:37] Maybe some sociopathic tendencies there. It's like we now have evidence from Tony Fauci's personal diary that he is a legitimate sociopath who, in the midst of The world shutting down and this pandemic blowing through the world, all he cared about was how people viewed him in the public. And he was getting glee in the fact that he was getting so much attention. And it's like, okay, if you're against sociopaths in positions of power, we have clear examples of reading this guy's diary as all of this is unraveling. And it's clearly sociopathic. I don't know how you can read any of that and not come to that conclusion.

Marty Bent [42:37] So the fact that that information could be laid bare and you could still try to defend the guy is— when your whole shtick for the better part of a decade has been, we need to get away from this one sociopath, is mind-blowing.

Jessica Rose [44:28] Absolutely. And there's a photo on X circulating now of Fauci looking very sad, and I'm I'm a very—I'm an empath. I'm a female. It pulled on my heartstrings for a fraction of a second. He's—he's taking out the garbage. He looks very sad, and then it's side by each with him in his car driving with his wife, and his wife is flipping off the the media. And somebody said they defended the fact that it's not all on Fauci, and they made this point. It was congenial. And I thought about it and I looked at his face and I felt sad for a moment. And then I'm like, nope.

Jessica Rose [44:28] I said, there's probably a good reason why that particular photo was posted on X. It's to do exactly what it started to do to me. And I'm like, nope. All I have to do is go back and think about what that guy was doing in a two-faced way. One, to these people in secret rooms, he was saying one thing. He was saying natural immunity is the best. He was saying masks are bullshit. He was saying the 6-foot rule was pulled out of somebody's asshole. Meanwhile, everybody was terrified. And he, you know, we were being locked up. We were being forced to be injected. People were held down.

Jessica Rose [44:28] I mean, I can't even think about it. And it's— he endorsed that shit. If he wasn't fully responsible, he was completely 100% behind it. And he was proud. Like you said, he wore it like a badge. He then— I mean, Jeffrey made a comment the other day, like he did 16 legacy media interviews in one day or some shit. And Jeffrey Tucker made a comment like he does 3 and he needs to decompress. Like, it's a lot. And I can relate. You know, the maximum number of interviews I think I could pull off in a day is 3. You know, like, and so, I don't know, man, like, he was, he was really, really reveling in all this.

Jessica Rose [44:28] And, and I feel compassion and empathy for most human beings, but there has to be, like, everybody, even the softest of us, has to realize at one point, like, no, you have to Like a good parent, you have to punish your kid if they do something bad, man, because if you don't, they're going to just grow up to be an asshole. It's just that simple. If he's not reprimanded, and that's why Rand Paul is, you know, I think going for him specifically, he's going to be one of the first. And I think there's going to be a snowball effect after this if we actually get him held accountable despite his pardon.

Jessica Rose [44:28] Um, you know, somebody needs to go first in all of this. And again, I know I sound a little like disjointed, but like, I cannot believe it's been 6 freaking years and nobody's been held accountable. Like, one guy has been indicted. That's it. You know, they were trafficking shit, bio-like samples on airplanes, and getting the powers that be to make sure that they didn't get their bags checked at the airport from China. Did you see those disclosures?

Marty Bent [47:58] Yeah, completely insane. What, what, uh, for those who haven't seen them, what are the particular details of that?

Jessica Rose [48:08] Uh, just let me, let me go back to my, uh, again, forgive me, I've written like about 20, uh, 20 articles in like 5 days. Let's see if I wrote it down. Let's just go to this.

Marty Bent [48:28] Oh boy.

Jessica Rose [48:29] Aerolite. Basically goes back to, I think absolutely Morenz was one of the people who was transporting stuff, but it also involved, I don't wanna outspeak here or say the wrong thing, Let's see, where did I put that? Just let me check. I really want to let everybody know the names of the people who were involved in this.

Marty Bent [49:09] Go back here. Now, while you're looking for that, it is a— I mean, we— I don't want to throw you off your trail, but something we should discuss is how do we get to accountability, particularly for Anthony Fauci, who has the presidential pardon going back to 2014? Obviously, he pled, pled the Fifth when he didn't need to, considering he had that pardon.

Jessica Rose [49:33] 111 times.

Marty Bent [49:34] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [49:42] Accountability, man, I don't know. I don't know if it's ever going to happen because it just seems like it's a soap opera. It's like theater. I do think that we're making progress. I want to stay optimistic with all of this, and I realize that it does take a long time because of bureaucracy, and anything having to do with the government is like a slow-moving train. But we, we have a real opportunity to write a better history for ourselves, if you ask me. And all the people who might be listening to this who are like kind of scared that their names might show up in certain phone calls or emails, like, it's not too late for you to come forward and be a good guy either.

Jessica Rose [49:42] This is another thing I've been saying forever. I'm like, I know you've been scared. I know you probably got threatened and, you know, they, they might have something on you. But man, you know what? What's more important? Living in truth and having your kids be proud of you or being a coward and dying guilty? You know what I mean?

Marty Bent [50:51] Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's—

Jessica Rose [50:58] All right, I'm almost there.

Marty Bent [51:03] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [51:04] Yeah, I just want to get the names right because, uh, I don't want to speak out of turn because I know they're listening to me. Do you know that somebody sent my, my, uh, the Substack that I think the one we're talking about where Robert Gary's name— he's one of the people in the EO paper— they sent it to Robert Gary. They sent my Substack to Robert Gary. I know, I was like, what the— you trying to get me killed? Um, let me see.

Marty Bent [51:34] Did they get a response?

Jessica Rose [51:35] Uh, they're not gonna probably, but the point is that he, he received it. Um, unless it went to his spam and he just deleted it, but, um, he did receive it. My God, how much did I post here? Like a wrecking ball. Yeah, that's the— yep, good stuff. My internet's also slow, so it's not loading things quickly.

Marty Bent [52:15] It's all good. But the high-level explanation is that while all this was going on, They were trying to move materials between borders, and not trying to.

Jessica Rose [52:27] They did. They successfully did. Yeah, yeah. They they were moving vials of. Once I get to this this screenshot, I'll be able to tell you. It was. I know that it was called biological materials. And one of the people who was in charge of, like, I think it was national security, was like pushing them. I was like, listen, you know, I know this came from on high from the FBI and said, don't check this guy's bag. But yeah, we kind of have to. And then I think that it was just kind of like tumbleweed after that. Like, it's not clear what happened. So, and it's not an isolated event either.

Jessica Rose [52:27] So we have to assume that, you know, there was biological material being brought into America from China. And, you know, only the people carrying it knew what it was. Really? I mean, it's just preposterous. And then, and then they turn around and they tell us we're frickin crazy for even suggesting that, you know, they're screwing around with bats in China and then bringing over, you know, dangerous chimeric viruses that they made, for example. Um, yeah, it's like you can't have it both ways, guys. If you're gonna be batshit crazy, just be batshit crazy, but don't call us crazy when we call you on it. Okay, here it is.

Jessica Rose [52:27] So, um, this was released in, um, The the Rand Paul releases. This was when. Ah yeah, okay. It was the final CBP release package, just in case people want to look this up. 2026-07 final CBP release package. I think if memory recalls, it was at the end. And it's kind of a, you know, the old computer-style font with a lot of redactions. And the paragraph that I highlighted was, we're gonna get kicked off the internet. No, I shouldn't read this because we will get kicked off the internet. It's very touchy, but—

Marty Bent [54:58] Really?

Jessica Rose [54:59] I'll read the second one. It's highlighted something, something, something classified research projects redaction. Redacted stated he has never mailed biologicals to China, was notified he has failed to declare and misrepresented biologicals in his possession twice, concealed his ties with the something that starts with P with three letters during interview, misrepresented his status. Redacted possess redact devices with utilizing with another person's login credentials and stated he understood. The box of vials, so we know that it was vials, was detained on, and the whole rest of the paragraph is redacted except for the end, which says boarded his flight upon conclusion of inspection. So um. This one, I don't know who the name is because— go ahead.

Marty Bent [56:02] I was gonna say, so he also used somebody else's credentials to sign into a system?

Jessica Rose [56:08] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes deep. So this one says the federal officials intercepted undeclared biological materials tied to a US-China coronavirus research network as early as 2018. So the executive summary, which was written in 2018, vials containing suspected coronavirus were intercepted on an inbound passenger at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. The vials carried by a third-party individual from a researcher in China were for a recipient, Fang Li, a professor and virology researcher at the University of Minnesota. Associated with NIH grants, his research fellows and collaborators have connections with the P two other letters. I don't want to say because we're going to get kicked off. And da da da da.

Jessica Rose [56:08] So yeah, there there were multiple reports of this, not just this two thousand and eighteen one. This this this other one that I referenced is a different one, which came from Fauci's emails. And there was another one which I could— anyway, you guys get the point. They were trafficking biological materials of unknown designation, let's call it. And it's conceivable, getting back to the PO paper, that what they were carrying to the US was samples of the chimeric virus that they'd successfully made. And when was this? Well, I mean, that could have been the one they were referring to in 2018. Some people say that, you know, this does predate when this so-called outbreak happened.

Jessica Rose [56:08] There's lots of theories. I mean, I don't know, maybe that— maybe if I could find the latest one in the email, I could tell you the date. Of this more recent interception, I'm still looking for it. I was hoping I wrote something a little bit more clear.

Marty Bent [58:19] Well, I think what we're getting to too again don't want to beat the dead horse of accountability, but again, what's happening behind the scenes with this new mRNA flu vaccine to get it to market with no placebo testing seems relatively rushed. Looks like it's not even better than the flu vaccines that we're using already, which is pet.

Jessica Rose [58:40] Well, it's the same in terms of killing people. That's what their data shows.

Marty Bent [58:46] Yeah. Yeah. And so how much of this is still happening behind the scenes? And again, getting to the crux of the accountability question, what happens to Anthony Fauci? Can anything happen to him? Does this pardon give him true immunity? Or is there— that's— I've been trying to find the words to describe my thoughts around this because the presidential pardon is nothing but, I guess, like a social agreement between the government and the governed that you sign this piece of paper and boom, accountability, or the person is not culpable for anything they did.

Jessica Rose [59:26] All of a sudden you're not guilty.

Marty Bent [59:27] In the past. But I just— I don't know.

Jessica Rose [59:29] Exactly. You're not guilty.

Marty Bent [59:31] Yeah, and the human, uh, I found what I was like.

Jessica Rose [59:38] Well, wait, sorry.

Marty Bent [59:43] Okay, no, go ahead and we'll finish that.

Jessica Rose [59:46] All right, so this is the one that I was talking about, and I can answer your question. It was January 11th, 2021. This was the one I was thinking of. So there's, um an email in the, uh, in the Fauci releases, uh, that is sent from an unknown, uh, person at HHS. RE, the subject matter is Peter Daszak inspection. So this was Peter fucking Daszak. Oops, can I swear? This was Peter Daszak, um, that they were—

Marty Bent [1:00:18] Yes, you can swear.

Jessica Rose [1:00:19] Um, okay, that they were trying to Avoid inspecting. Okay, so it says it might be more beneficial for an inbound inspection in the event that he is hand carrying biological samples. Below are recommended questions. Redacted might have a few additional ones to add as well. And there's this long list of questions that are quite sensible, which probe you know. What the hell? What are these biological samples? S. Customs and Border Protection. But the watch commander, if I'm understanding this properly, over this guy got overridden, and all of his sensible questions, I suppose, were just like written off. And I imagine I'm you know this this was my impression that Peter Dajak.

Jessica Rose [1:00:19] Just got off like he didn't get checked at all. When when he was coming from China into JFK, I believe it was through Doha. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Like I I don't even that alone to me is like I just I don't know. I can't even. I can't even.

Marty Bent [1:01:44] No, it's, uh, it's all insane. And getting back to like the human nature, like we know that they know that we know that everything they've done is wrong, and yet—

Jessica Rose [1:02:00] Yeah, but do they know that we know that you know that they know that we know?

Marty Bent [1:02:04] And like with Fauci, it's Again, the human in me is like, I don't care about the, the president's signature on a line that gives him a pardon. Like, this man needs to be held accountable. There's crimes against humanity. There's evidence of conspiracy. There's evidence of cover-up. There's evidence of hubris. And it is unconscionable that this man wouldn't be held accountable when you consider the the cost that it burdened the world with. I mean, you shut down the global economy, you murdered millions of people, you destroyed millions of small and medium-sized businesses, you ruined the lives of children. In the middle of class. My son was born in February 2020.

Marty Bent [1:02:04] He had a speech delay because everybody was wearing masks and he couldn't see their mouths and didn't know how to talk correctly because of this stupid policy that behind the scenes Fauci was admitting wasn't doing anything to prevent the spread of the disease that, in my opinion, based off of all the research I've done over the last 6 years, seems to have been created in a lab by and funded by US tax dollars in a certain way, the gain-of-function research.

Marty Bent [1:03:28] Yeah. Like, this is A level of criminality and evil that a presidential pardon should not be able to protect.

Jessica Rose [1:03:37] Exactly. It's exactly what you said, man. It's a stupid piece of paper. Like, where's the honor? Where's the actual national security, like, vibe? Because all of this is always under the guise of national security. We have to protect everyone. It's like, That's— it's such bullshit. And everybody, this is what— if anybody who has like high-ranking position is listening to me ever, like, I want you to understand, I listen to actual people and I know a lot of people and I hear from a lot of people and nobody's buying your bullshit anymore. Like, we know that those things weren't safe and effective. We know at least that there's a very good possibility this thing was made in a lab, but that there's a massive cover-up behind all of this that you guys are trying desperately to protect.

Jessica Rose [1:03:37] First of all, the, the, the public can handle it unless, you know, they need to keep protecting it because there's something more insidious coming in the pipeline, which I've also Thought maybe they can't tell us the truth about the nature of this chimeric virus because it you know it would explode people's brains. I don't know. That HIV insert thing, the question of that has never been answered. All we know, you know about this paper, Marty?

Marty Bent [1:05:11] No.

Jessica Rose [1:05:11] Okay, so it's called the Pradhan paper. I've written about this endlessly as well. It's a paper that went up on a preprint server ages ago, like ages ago. I— don't quote me on this, world, but I'm gonna say February 2020. It was early, might have been earlier, might have been later. Anyway, went up pretty soon, um, after the bells started alarming about this SARS-2 thing. And it hypothesized and showed with, with alignment data that there were these 4 short sequences that matched the sequences pretty well with, with, you know, pretty good identity that you can find in HIV. And so that was fine. I'm like, okay, yeah, that could be a fluke and it's not functional anyway.

Jessica Rose [1:05:11] Then I went on to read what they said and When the spike protein is translated and you know it folds into its conformation, all of those little bits, those let's just call them HIV inserts, were in places on the outside of the spike protein that would be highly accessible for binding purposes. It was it was really really like I when I finished reading this preprint. And I was still— I was one of the people watching the Johns Hopkins death count. I was, you know, I didn't know what to think back then. But when I read that freaking preprint, I was— I started crying. I looked over at my partner and I said, they made it.

Jessica Rose [1:05:11] I'm never going to forget that moment. I was absolutely certain after what I'd read that they had freaking constructed this and there was something really nasty about it. And I might have blown it off. I might have just said, no, Jess, you're being stupid, because that's what he said. He said, "You're being paranoid and stupid," and then it got removed from the preprint server a few days later. Why? Why? Why? Why would you do that? Why would you hide a paper that was just a you know let's just call it a hypothesis paper if you want to do that. Well, what was so challenging about it that you had to remove it from the eyes of the public before?

Jessica Rose [1:05:11] Like you didn't even know about it right now, and it's. It's a huge big deal in the community of people here, you know, that I'm in, that kind of have been looking at how this is constructed and why for so many years. I mean, what the frick are those things doing in there? Why do they look so much like HIV bits? Why are they on, like, like in functionally available areas for binding on the spike protein? Are they functional? Well, how are they functional? How are they tied to the sphere and cleat? You know what I mean? So it's like, I don't even know why I brought that up, but, you know, that paper is like— my instinct is telling me that thing's gonna come around.

Jessica Rose [1:05:11] Like, when all of this stuff starts coming out in the phone calls, like, something really gross is gonna come out that I know.

Marty Bent [1:08:20] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [1:08:21] But I'm still, like I said at the beginning, I'm gonna be like, I don't frickin believe it. You know what I mean? Because you don't want to believe some things, even if the evidence is in front of you, because it's so bad. You know what I mean?

Marty Bent [1:08:36] Well, it's— again, you said you're an empath. It's like, how could anybody do this? Right? And because basically what you're saying here is that the HIV interceptors being where they were in the spike protein, making them extra responsive to combining to other cells in our body. Like, it's a bioweapon, but there's no reason for them to be anywhere near this thing. And so the existence of them at all, if this paper proves that this hypothesis proves to be true, would beg questions of like, why, why have this introduced to, to this, um, to this at all? Like, why is this here?

Jessica Rose [1:09:30] Well, I wrote a, uh, if people are interested in this, I, I mean, I wrote a lot of articles on this, but one of them is called Phenotypic— sorry, but Phenotypic Mixing, Tropism Enhancement, and Recombination: Implications of a Lab-Engineered Virus Mixing with the Existing Coronavirus Swarm. I wrote this in 2022, and therein you'll show me present another preprint which basically shows that there's a fingerprint within the spike protein that it can't be explained away. Basically bookended around furin cleavage site are restriction sites. That's lab engineering thing. And and I go on to talk about HIV. I I was an HIV researcher. I know a lot about this virus, and I remember writing this article, and there's even a little picture that I made that compares the HIV GP120, the spike protein of HIV, and the spike protein of SARS, and the similarities.

Jessica Rose [1:09:30] And I was kind of struck, I remember when I wrote this, at the similarities. The function of both of them is the same. That's why they call them the spike, the corona. You know, they form a corona of spikes for, you know, binding with other proteins that are expressed on the surfaces of cells so that they can gain entry to the cells. So the function is the same. Same, but, you know, they have co-receptor involvement that are slightly different. So anyway, guys, go read that. Um, and there's another one. Uh, anyway, never mind. I— if you're interested in reading all about all of this, I, I've been documenting it for 6 years and I didn't leave much out.

Jessica Rose [1:09:30] Um, so yeah, I'm— what I want to know is why Why? Because a lot of people think— they actually think that Gates was serious when he said there's too many people and then he wants to kind of like take care of that. And considering the fact that he's so obsessed with vaccines and considering the fact that there are documentaries that actually show that some of his vaccines are quite detrimental, um, It's not a leap to consider that he might actually be trying to take people out. Um, I'm not saying that's what he's doing.

Marty Bent [1:12:12] Please.

Jessica Rose [1:12:12] I'm literally asking why? Why? Like, why are you guys so freaking obsessed with your, with your weird-ass vaccines and your gene-based therapies and your— is it just about money? Is it about power? Someone holding a gun to your head? Like, what? Why are you so obsessed?

Marty Bent [1:12:32] I mean, once you get that— I mean, some people say once you get to a certain level of wealth, um, the money doesn't, doesn't do it for you anymore, so you have to get pleasure out of exerting power on people, which I—

Jessica Rose [1:12:46] Yes.

Marty Bent [1:12:46] I feel like, uh, people like Gates are certainly in that camp, and he's exploring many avenues. If we're, we're asking why, we're not saying he's doing it, but, uh, another Initiative from Bill Gates that is a bit questionable. Why would you do this? Is blotting out the sun. Yeah, why would you do that?

Jessica Rose [1:13:06] Why would you even want to think about doing that?

Marty Bent [1:13:12] Like, I don't know, mate. Yeah, these people are crazy. We're forced to live in a world with them. But you you mentioned this earlier and alluded to it, and I don't know if you have any. concrete ideas, but why are they so aggressive with this cover-up? Why are they fighting so hard to make sure that accountability doesn't, doesn't make it to, make it to the world? And you said that maybe there's something down the pike. Like, what—

Jessica Rose [1:13:40] Well, listen to this.

Marty Bent [1:13:41] Should we be on the lookout for?

Jessica Rose [1:13:43] Yeah, you, you already know this story from our chat with Kevin. So like, Kevin found, you know, the— he was the first one to Find DNA in the Pfizer and the Moderna vials, right? This this is conclusive. Every single lab that's tested these vials all over the world, every single vial that they've tested has DNA in it. They use different we use different techniques: qPCR, fluorometry, or sequencing. Doesn't matter. From nanopore to to what to qPCR like that it's showing the same thing. There's DNA in those vials, and there shouldn't be. High levels. One of the components of the DNA is this SV40 enhancer promoter, and I, I haven't dug into this yet, but somebody posted something on X.

Jessica Rose [1:13:43] They went a little deeper into Kevin's original plasmid map, and they were looking at the open reading frames that we, we still don't know anything about. And he said something— sorry to be, um, cryptic, but I honestly don't know enough about this yet. I haven't looked at it. Said something about the large T antigen being in there as well. So, for those of you who don't know, I know very little about this either. The SV40 virus is like notoriously known for being a contaminant. It was in the polio vaccine, right? I should know this. Let's see, Paul. It was a contaminant in one of the major vaccine rollouts in the past, and it gives you cancer, basically.

Jessica Rose [1:13:43] Yeah, it was poliovirus. So yeah, it was— I mean, enough said, right? Like, first of all, that proves that it can happen. Second of all, it proves that if you if you have a certain contaminant like this kind of virus or these components, it can lead to cancer in humans. One of the reasons for that is because the promoter is a it's very strong and it's a mammalian promoter. That's what Kevin found in the vials. So here's my question: What if the world actually found out? What if the general public actually found out that there was— Kevin would say intentional— that there was introduction of something that is cancer-causing, oncogenic substance, let's call it, in the vials that was injected into billions of people under mandate?

Jessica Rose [1:13:43] That would make the world's head explode, I think. And so this is one of the reasons I believe that this is true. But I think this is also why a lot of people haven't run with the DNA story. There's a lot of people posing as, you know, the good guys who aren't, and vice versa. And I think— I don't know, I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't gotten more consideration. Thank God for Senator Johnson. He put our paper in the Congressional Record. And we actually have a new one that's coming out. It just got through the proofs phase and got the fees paid. So we have another paper coming out.

Marty Bent [1:17:12] But yeah, I mean, continuation of that research or something different?

Jessica Rose [1:17:18] Yes. So this group called Ox et al. wrote this paper to kind of counteract what we were saying. And it was like, you know, Kaiser Center type tone. Like, it's like, this is definitive and we've done all these studies and everything they said was stupid. And we pulled that apart systematically, point by point. And we were like, they're wrong on this, they're wrong on this, they're wrong on this, they're wrong on this. And it's a really, really, really compelling and well-written, like, counter. of their counter so that basically you get back to the original conclusion. So it's going to be published in OncoTarget soon.

Marty Bent [1:18:02] Well, we'll have to do another rip there because to your point, what if people find out that this is true? And again, Kevin and I have done episodes on— I mean, the smoking gun is there too. There's smoke. Who knows if the evidence is definitive yet, but I mean, The one preprint study out of Japan that got yanked from the server that was talking about the change in distribution of cancer types since 2021, and the distribution changed to cancers that emanated in areas where the spike protein from the COVID vaccines was congregating in the body. And I mean, again, it goes back to What's so tough about accountability, because when you get to this level, I mean, the web of people and businesses that get pulled into this is so large and so massive. And I mean, particularly the pharma companies, which are pretty large companies, very large companies. There's stock market consequences. There's liability consequences for businesses.

Jessica Rose [1:19:17] It's frightening, isn't it?

Marty Bent [1:19:18] That's what I think they're afraid of. But again, Yeah, but it's, it's, you have to, again, going back to honor, I think that's the best word to describe why we need accountability that you brought up on this discussion is like, do we have honor anymore as a society? Like, is the stock market—

Jessica Rose [1:19:40] We have morality as well.

Marty Bent [1:19:42] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [1:19:46] I think like the, the notion of right and wrong has somehow been lost in the evil cloud of delusion. You know, we're, we're just so much better than this. You know, I fall asleep almost every night watching The Big Short. I love that movie.

Marty Bent [1:20:09] Do you?

Jessica Rose [1:20:10] I really do. And the reason I bring that up is just, you know, Mark Baum's speech at the end where he's just very sad because even though he made a billion bucks off of the tragedy, you know, the housing market crash, even though he knew everything that was going on, it was shocked. It was just like this, you know, the unfolding of the, the horrible stupidness of why it all happened. And the hubris and the arrogance and the ignorance of these assholes who just wanted to be rich. And he just says, you know, like, on the subject of fraud, you know, like, fraud is everywhere and it never works.

Jessica Rose [1:20:10] And this is the thing. It's like we, we as a human species could be so enlightened. We could be so much farther along in our journey. Than, than we are. And we keep ourselves trapped and low vibrating. And God, like, like he said, like, I thought we were better than this, man. Like, I hope we can be in my lifetime. I'm an eternal optimist, and I really love human beings. And I really do think we're under attack. I'm not sure by what, and I really do mean what. Um, but like, yeah, I believe in us. And I think I think more people need to say that, and more people need to believe that.

Jessica Rose [1:20:10] Like, because, like, a lot seems hopeless, you know? And even going to a goddamn supermarket these days makes you feel hopeless because there's like ehhh. Too much stimulation, too much choice. Like, nothing is simple anymore, and we're simple creatures. We're complex, but we're simple. We like eating and we like pooping and we like being with people and we like laughing. We're pretty basic, right?

Marty Bent [1:22:10] Yeah.

Jessica Rose [1:22:10] Yeah.

Marty Bent [1:22:13] Walks on the beach.

Jessica Rose [1:22:15] Yeah. Looking at the stars.

Marty Bent [1:22:19] Yeah. It's— and again, I'm beating the dead horse and I know people get annoyed because it's like, you're never going to get accountability, stop asking. But it's like, no, the eternal optimist in me is like, we need to keep beating this drum. Accountability needs to— there needs to be accountability for all of this. And I think persistence will lead to that eventually.

Jessica Rose [1:22:48] Persistence is the only difference between success and failure.

Marty Bent [1:22:54] That's my motto. I think when it comes to Fauci particularly, we really need to. Push the conversation to like, hey, some signature on a piece of paper from another individual does not exonerate an individual from all the wrong that they've done.

Jessica Rose [1:23:16] Yeah, why don't they just burn it?

Marty Bent [1:23:17] Protect that from them. There is, there is, right?

Jessica Rose [1:23:24] It's just set it ablaze, man.

Marty Bent [1:23:26] You can't let a piece of paper. Prevent accountability in this case. Again, it's just thinking of the scale of the crimes, crimes against humanity. I feel very, very confident and safe saying that. And again, the just like the cognitive dissonance and the hypocritical contradictions of I mean World War II and Hitler gets brought as like. Continuously brought up, we can never have this again, we could never have this again. Obviously it wasn't in the same form, but it was, I mean, arguably at a scale that's much larger than what happened in World War II and many wars of humanity's past. And just because it wasn't—

Jessica Rose [1:24:11] And they wouldn't want the fires to go up.

Marty Bent [1:24:13] As kinetic, as abrasively. Yeah. And that's the scary part. That's the scarier crime against humanity. It's when they don't have to fire a single gun. There's not some visible reaction to the damage being done. It happens quietly in the background of families losing loved ones for unexplainable reasons. But there's that seed that emanates from everything that happened with COVID the shutdowns, the curbing of people getting access to ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, eventually the thrusting of the vaccine and the mandates. It's a bunch of— it's a very quiet crime against humanity in many ways if you're not paying attention. If you—

Jessica Rose [1:25:01] Well, it was kept quiet. Like, one of the things I found yesterday was that there are probably hundreds. I only found a dozen or so, but there's probably a lot more in the thousands of pages of emails. People from all over the world I mean, the guy was bombarded. Fauci was, although he does have probably a team, a very large one, bombarded by emails from doctors, from pharmacists, from virologists, from epidemiologists, all suggesting alternative strategies and treatments. And he's on, you know, he's on there writing back like, Remdesivir sucks. It's dangerous. Hydroxychloroquine is the way to go. Natural immunity is best. This is what he said to a CNN reporter.

Jessica Rose [1:25:01] One of them warned about what's going on in various and sundry countries around the world on the subject matter of remdesivir being harmful. And I made a big screenshot about this today. Like, 10 days later, he was touting it. He was saying it was gonna be the course of action for COVID. And then there's there's this meeting with Trump in the White House, where he's he's all over it. " The guy was was informed. He was informed by a concerned public. You can hear the concern in the words of the people who wrote these emails to him. Like this, you know, everybody's scared, and I just want to help.

Jessica Rose [1:25:01] And here's something that I've seen working in my hospital. Drugs I never even heard of, dude. Deaf ears. It's never gonna matter because Moderna was being rolled out. Yeah, I don't know, man.

Marty Bent [1:26:52] Um, and this was the guy who was in his scrubs in his kitchen doing videos, right? I think he was saying— I'm gonna pull this up. Here's an—

Jessica Rose [1:27:01] oh yeah, this one, right? Yeah, check this one out, everybody. So this was February 8th, 2021. Drew Weissman is the guy who got the Nobel Prize with Kariko, I think her name was. And he told Fauci on this date that the mRNA LNPs go to the placenta and fetus and that the uterus and ovaries take up the mRNA LNPs and translate the mRNA. Now, for anybody who's been wondering why their wife or their girlfriend or their daughter has had messed up menstrual cycles or maybe had a miscarriage in temporal proximity to getting one of these shots, maybe this might have something to do with it.

Jessica Rose [1:27:01] So, I mean, my point was, I've been looking at this again for years and I've seen, I've seen VAERS reports of all, all of, all of things related to female reproductive issues going awry. Fetal issues, like going off the charts, like hypokinesia and stuff. That's when the baby's not moving so much. Underweight, stillbirths. I mean, all of this stuff has been happening more since 2021. Then you read something like that, and then you start playing it back in your mind about how— They kept going with the frickin' EUAs in younger and younger and younger age groups until— they had a plan. They had to get this on the childhood schedule to avoid liability.

Jessica Rose [1:27:01] That was the plan all along. They had to keep going lower. Safety data be damned. Myocarditis in 12-year-old boys be damned. You know, and like you said, they're still frickin' pushing this crap. And children and infants. I mean, I, you know, let's be optimistic again though. I liked what you were saying. I mean, I, I think accountability is coming, even if not by the humans, by the hand of God.

Marty Bent [1:29:13] Mm-hmm.

Jessica Rose [1:29:15] You know, like, there is such thing as right and wrong, and there is light and there is dark. And, um, everybody freaking knows it, whether they know it or not. They know it somehow. Um, and some people even believe in karma, and karma is going to be a bitch for these people. Um, I believe in human guilt. I believe that it's real. I believe that most humans are good and that they have a conscience. I also believe that most of the people who are going to be on the chopping block soon have one of those, and that they'll probably fold. Um, maybe I shouldn't put it that way, but you know, it is going to be kind of rolling over on everybody else because, I mean, that's why the pressure is so hot on, on everybody that's colluded here, because if one person rolls, they're all screwed, right?

Marty Bent [1:30:03] Yeah. If you're out there and you're listening, you're one of the people who has a The scrutiny on them right now. Roll. You do what's good. Save your soul. Save your soul.

Jessica Rose [1:30:17] Exactly. And it's exactly. And it is. I swear. I swear to you. It is about saving your soul. But from the human point of view, from this weird material 3D thing that we're in, you will also be embraced by a very large community of people. You will not be shamed. You'll not be ridiculed. You will be embraced. And I don't care about all the people who are saying, ah, da da da da da da da. No, they need to be burned. No, that's not how we behave in a civilized society. If somebody has the balls after everything they've been through to come forward and be truthful in even a single moment, then that is their truth and they should be allowed to do so.

Jessica Rose [1:30:17] And no reprimand— well, maybe some reprimand, but like, we, we have to be non-hypocritical about this. It's very important. And we can't shame the freaking victims. I, I I can't stand that shit either, you know what I mean? A lot of people are shaming people for, like, you know, yeah.

Marty Bent [1:31:19] Getting the jab. Yeah, I don't, I don't fault anybody. I mean, you people were literally subjected to the largest psychological operation in human history from all angles.

Jessica Rose [1:31:30] Exactly.

Marty Bent [1:31:32] Yeah, biggest psyop in human history. It's still, to your point, still ongoing and It's just persistence to slowly but surely convince one individual at a time that they were psyoped and it's okay. Many people made the mistake. You can't fault people for falling prey to the powers that be. And they're— I mean, they did a very good job. It was a very well-orchestrated— I mean, it was very well orchestrated. Oh, yeah. Literally everybody in the mainstream, any Information, or most information resources that people had access to were telling them the same thing, inciting the fear, putting the charts up, the Johns Hopkins numbers up of the deaths that were rolling through.

Marty Bent [1:31:32] People were earnestly fearful for not only their lives, but the lives of their loved ones. And I think most people were acting from a place of self-preservation and the preservation of their loved ones. But At some point, you have to recognize the objective reality that the people that were pushing all this are evil and they did not have the best intentions in mind. And now we have definitive proof that they were not being as truthful and forthright with their public posturing.

Jessica Rose [1:32:53] And may I suggest that The next time, which I think there have been many attempts at next times. Think Ebola. You know, there have there might be Lassa coming. Look for Lassa. Be your own authority for the love of God. Do not seek one out in a white coat. Just be your own authority because you are your own authority. And if if that's not enough, think of it this way. What if those people that you're putting all your faith in are wrong? You have to at least consider that possibility. They're not God. You know, Fauci might think he's godlike, but he's, he's very, very, very far from God.

Jessica Rose [1:32:53] Um, even if he thinks he was doing the right thing, that's his life. He's not going to come help you if you get injured. You know what I mean? Like, You are the authority over your own life, and please be the authority over your kids' lives too. Like imploring the entire world right now, you're the parent, you know best. Kids are meant to play with other kids and get sick and spread germs, and this is how our immune systems get strong. This is how we build variability and robustness of responses. This is. Literally how we get stronger. You know, it's it's absolutely it's absurd what they're doing to children in this childhood schedule, this vaccination thing.

Jessica Rose [1:32:53] " You know what I mean? Like how would you an alien? Maybe we'll have to soon.

Marty Bent [1:34:44] And it's— I mean, it's a great case study in how— all right, we'll see, we'll see. Disclosure is upon us. It's also a great study in just how quickly these norms can arise. I mean, this childhood vaccine schedule is only a generation old, right? Started really in earnest in the '90s and obviously has picked up since then, but It's one generation, and that is a blip on the timeline of human history.

Jessica Rose [1:35:14] Yeah, you get one vaccine on that schedule, you make a billion bucks a year, so. And it's liability-free!

Marty Bent [1:35:23] Mm-hmm.

Jessica Rose [1:35:27] Why not?

Marty Bent [1:35:28] That's another thing we need to focus on. Yeah. Yeah. Jessica, this is always— I don't know if fun's the right word to describe it, but I always enjoy our conversations because—

Jessica Rose [1:35:44] Me too.

Marty Bent [1:35:45] Again, I feel like the persistence is key. I feel like a lot of people are dropping the ball in terms of staying on top of this. I think it's one of the most important human stories of my lifetime, of our lifetime, and we can't let it just gets swept under the rug. So I thank you for doing the work that you're doing with your Substack and the research that you're doing to prove that something likely went awry with everything in and around the COVID era and the vaccines. And I look forward to reading you and Kevin's next paper and hopefully recording an episode on it.

Jessica Rose [1:36:25] We will. And, you know, at this point, I'm just like, I wonder how similar to my— the development of the story in my own brain is going to be to the, the veritable truth that comes out from these phone calls, for example. Like, I wonder how right I've been. It's, it's, it's not that I, I I don't doubt that I'm right on the things that I've drawn a conclusion on up to this point, because I've just dug too deep and I've read too many papers and I have too many people as alternate sources. Like, I go everywhere for my sources because that's the way that you get to the best idea of the truth. I don't know how to put it, but anyway, yeah, it was a pleasure. And it's funny you use the term drop the ball. Because that's exactly what Eddie Holmes wrote to Christian Anderson in the Slack message on the subject matter of the pangolins. On that note, that wraps it right up in a bow.

Marty Bent [1:37:35] The pangolins. That was funny. They're literally trying to make us believe the pangolins are the reason for all of that. But we don't have to go too far into that. Jessica, thank you. For your time, and we'll do this again when the paper drops.

Jessica Rose [1:37:55] Yes, we will.

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