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Immunologist Jessica Rose exposes safety signals, DNA contamination, and censorship that reveal major failures in the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.
Immunologist Jessica Rose argues that COVID-19 vaccine safety signals, especially unprecedented VAERS spikes (millions of reports, broad and severe event types, early death signal), were obvious and historically withdrawal-level, yet regulators ignored or downplayed them while pharma pursued liability-shielded childhood scheduling. She contends the novel tech (lipid nanoparticles + modified mRNA) was rushed, contaminated with residual DNA (incl. SV40 fragments), and plausibly linked to systemic harms (cardiac, neurological, autoimmune, fertility, cancers), while censorship of early treatments and dissent enforced a broader system of control. Despite this, she sees momentum toward accountability: hearings exposing defensiveness, political pressure for data disclosure, rollback of mandates in places like Florida, and a growing, international scientific coalition surfacing evidence.
Rose frames the episode as a call for transparency and reform: restore real pharmacovigilance, publish full manufacturing and clinical data, and admit policy failures that bred vaccine hesitancy. She believes the overreach awakened a critical mass that will resist future control schemes, but warns that rebuilding trust requires honest reckoning with suppressed findings and regulatory capture. The path forward, she says, is evidence over narrative, sequencing tumors, replicating analyses across independent labs, and protecting open debate, so public health can be grounded in truth rather than coercion.
0:00 - Introduction and hope for accountability with RFK Jr.
6:44 - Why this issue cannot be dropped
14:24 - Massive VAERS safety signals compared to historical data
19:43 - Suspicious lack of response to alarming data
24:26 - Jessica's journey from immunologist to vaccine researcher
29:02 - Hospital protocols and questioning medical motives
34:27 - Censorship of early COVID treatment discussions
39:02 - Pharmaceutical lobby coordination against RFK Jr.
44:53 - Liability protections and using children as shields
48:23 - Initial skepticism based on accelerated timeline
51:26 - Lipid nanoparticle technology and body distribution
59:08 - Manufacturing differences and DNA contamination
1:16:30 - Long-term generational effects and reproductive concerns
1:23:37 - Artificial intelligence as threat and potential solution
(00:00) Many health agencies, including Health Canada, FDA, they're very well aware that this SP40 is in the shot files. They are completely undermining the potential danger associated with this. There are a lot of people who think this is all intentional and that they're trying to kill us.
(00:20) Even if you don't believe that, you have to admit that this is the greatest buggery of this scale of human beings ever. This was not about a virus, guys. This was about a system of control being imposed. When you don't tell the truth and when you're not transparent with data, you're pushing products to get them on the childhood schedule because you're free from liability and you make a billion dollars off that.
(00:38) Are you really concerned about my health? They were going to go fullon digital ID 15inut city type thing like you can't leave your area. Trump made the comment about operation warp speed and he was demanding data from fizer. This is huge. I anticipated that we were going to start seeing enormous numbers of people reporting Iverse events.
(00:56) The total number in the past 30 years of data collection in bears for all vaccines combined has been about 39,000 on average and in 2021 alone there were over a million reports. There was a big death signal in January at the end. In the past historically would have prompted the immediate withdrawal of the product from the market. I'm an academic. Peer review has been my thing. Now I know it's all a big joke.
(01:21) Yeah, you don't have to worry about uh the name of the spelling. We take it off and post. So, it's just our pictures and people will know. We're sitting down with Jessica Rose. You can see her name on on the video right now if you're watching on YouTube or somewhere else, but I'm sitting down with Jessica Rose, who I was introduced to by our good friend uh who's been on the show a couple times now at this point, Kevin McLaren.
(01:46) We've talked about the DNA contamination of the COVID vaccines and after last time we spoke, he was adamant that I have to reach out with you and get you on the show. A bit of a delay. He introduced us in March. We're sitting here in the beginning of September, but I think uh was a happy accident because there's a lot to talk about with everything going on. And so, yeah, it's a good delay.
(02:10) There's nothing wrong with it. that and that's why I reached out to you because I remember uh Kevin introduced me to Jessica to talk about this stuff and we have a lot going on on Capitol Hill. It seems like RFK Jr. is actually getting his way. We have a lot of people leaving the CDC.
(02:32) Uh we're finding out about uh the individuals who are at the CDC pushing the vaccine mandates during CO and I just wanted to get you on to get your perspective on what do you think's happening at that level right now? Do you think we're on the path toward some sort of unearthing of what actually happened and getting the the real data out to the people? I do. Um it's it's been wild to watch.
(02:59) I mean, you I don't know how long you've been watching all this stuff unfold, but I mean I've been I've been digging into the data uh the adverse event data for 5 years now. So, I I mean, it's been a horror show since January 2021, and I'll elaborate on that in a second, but um it's amazing that the feeling in the community of people I'm in, and it's a very broad international community of people from lawyers to doctors to teachers to vets, you know, like and podcasters, everyone in between. Um there's a real feeling of
(03:42) wow, you know, as in more than hope. It's actual surprise because and it's not that I think people are surprised that we're starting to see actual movement on the subject matter of vaccine safety. It's that it's almost hard to believe, if you know what I mean, because we've I I don't even think we as a community of people who are digging into this all the time and who dedicate our lives to the science know how bad it is, know how shielded the data is, know how many studies have actually been conduct conducted by pharma companies themselves
(04:25) that reveal like catastrophic adverse events that we we we don't have access to. We don't know about um this this hearing that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. uh as we all know is the new secretary of HHS recently uh I would say was subjected to was just I mean beyond revealing. Um the people the the small clips uh that I've that I've seen of the of the entire session which I haven't watched in full were so astounding.
(05:06) I mean there were so many um ad hominemum attacks. There were so many uh juvenile lash outs. It it's just not something I would expect to see from a room full of heavyhitting professionals. senators and doctors and you know what I mean? It's like I I would expect it to be more civilized.
(05:33) Um so it's not that it's not that I think it's a bad thing that that it happened that it's being revealed this way. I think it's actually very very telling um as to like why why are people getting so defensive on the subject matter? Because Robert hasn't changed his position. All he's trying to do is get scienceback data to actually um have the outcome of safe products on the market. That's all he's looking for. There's nothing to defend right there.
(06:05) He's looking out for kids. He's looking out for parents. He's looking out for American people in general. It's like, what is there to defend? So, the the reactions I saw from people just just at this hearing were were stunning. I mean, are they worried they're going to lose their their their handouts? Are they worried that um some weird personal truth is going to come out about them about what they've been defending and why? I mean, it it's it's bizarro world.
(06:39) Um but again, I I'll go back to what I started with. It's it's beyond hopeful. It's it's actual movement forward, I think. Um, and just one more thing about that, when when Trump uh you saw the post on X where Trump made the comment about Operation Warp Speed and he was demanding data from Fizer. Um, this is huge.
(07:05) um if he stands by that and if he actually follows through with demanding this data, uh me and Kevin and David Speaker up in Canada are probably going to have a paper uh published today or maybe tomorrow um that's been, you know, in the peerreview process for years, literally years now, that reveals so many things about the modified mRNA products uh pertaining to DNA.
(07:34) a um I I'll just call them contaminants. Um Trump needs to know this stuff and and I know that he's not a scientist, but he'll understand, you know, the word contaminant and he'll understand uh that, you know, from another point of view, these things are gene-based therapies that didn't go through, you know, the the proper channels to get approved, for example.
(07:58) So, I think there's a real uh there's a real reason to be optimistic after all of this time. That's what I would say. It's incredibly encouraging to hear because that is one of my biggest worries and it was it was funny. I sent a a tweet out earlier this week. I forget exactly what I said or what I was quote tweeting, but it pertained to the co vaccines and the potential um to to actually find out what's happening and let the American people get access to the data and do their own research. And somebody responded like, why are you still on this? Um give it up. COVID was years ago. It's like no,
(08:34) you cannot no just let this fall to the wayside. there there has to be uh some accountability which is desperately needed because of that and I said it before we hit record but I'm a strong believer that what happened between late 2020 and up until today to some point with with if mandates are still being issued to people in certain positions or schools is a crime against humanity.
(09:01) Yeah. And it's not only America I mean Europe's still pushing the the co stuff. There are countries all over the world who are still very much fully caught up in all of this. And um you know you everybody's seen it on the news. There's this kind of resurgence of of fear factoring going on with oh there's a there's a new SARS strain and people are getting CO again. No, no, no.
(09:27) The one thing that is true from what people are saying it that CO is over is that it is and it was a long time ago from from a an imunological point of view. Um, so it's wild to me that there's this dichotomy between the hundreds of millions of people who've suffered adverse events directly as a cause of these uh these modified nucleotide modified mRNA injections and the people who still have no awareness that there's a a problem at all.
(10:04) Um it's it's really it's wild cuz cuz these two groups are real. Um the one the the latter group are actually like I think slowly slowly there are people coming out of that group and starting to open their eyes as more of this becomes so-called mainstream which is thanks to the new administration. Whe whether you like the people involved or not it doesn't matter man.
(10:31) They're they're they're moving the target. So you got to appreciate that after stagnancy for so long decades uh when you're talking about vaccine safety. Um so just just to if people don't know what I was doing with the vaccine adverse event reporting system data set in in the US um I I started digging into this the day that the shots went out in December 17th uh 2020 um because I anticipated because of what I was seeing the the oneshot solution the novel technologies involved um I anticipated that we We're going to start seeing like enormous numbers of people reporting adverse events and serious ones too because
(11:18) for for people who don't know there are two brand new technologies involved here these lipid nano particles which are not safe. They use these things called cationic lipids as one of four which are highly positively charged which are murder to cells and um uh nucleotides which are embedded therein and it's supposed to be only this nucleioide modified RNA but as I'll talk about later I hope uh according to our new publication and other peer-reviewed publications there's uh way too much DNA in there as well. it's not supposed to be there and that comes with a boatload
(11:58) of problems that absolutely would be associated with with disease and pathologies like cancer. So in in January 2021 at the end of January January 30th there was a very large death signal in VERS and this is a passive reporting system. So under reporting is actually the biggest problem with bears.
(12:27) A lot of people call it like a a dumpster, which I find very offensive because every single one of these reports is a person who was injured because they took a vaccine and they matter. Every single person matters. Um, and if you actually succeed at filing a VERS report, which is not an easy task. It's an online system with multiple e pages that if you don't complete in time, they kick you off and you have to start again and then it has to get vetted after being given a temporary ID.
(12:59) And if that's successful with the limited number of people who are doing the vetting, you might get a permanent bears ID and your your data point might be uploaded to the front-end system, but that's not the end of it. it might also be removed as I've also written a paper about uh with no explanation.
(13:24) So there was a big death signal in January at the end which under normal circumstances and in the past historically would have prompted the immediate withdrawal of the product from the market. these modified mRNA products from the market's like uh 500 something something reports of death within 30 days which is way that's a lot of people to dive at the hands or in the context of a product that's supposed to be you know helping people um and that's not that's that's just one uh the number of adverse events I'll give you some context here that are typically reported uh in the context text of the flu
(14:03) vaccines for example like the number of types of adverse events of the 25,000 potential metric coded adverse events that you can use is about 5,000 something in total for say like a a season a flu season and the the number of types of adverse events uh that were that have been reported in the context of just the modified mRNA shots is over 14,000.
(14:33) So there's there's not just hundreds more hundreds of thousands more adverse events, millions in fact uh being reported when you compare like in the context of the co shots versus the flu shots. There's so many more different types which matches perfectly with what we're seeing uh in a clinical setting pertaining to the uh the comprehensive nature of the damage.
(15:00) You've you've heard it all, right? like there's neurological damage, there's immunological damage, heart damage, uh lymphatic or or the the um the endocrine system being ruined, uh birth defects, uh fertility problems, cancer, I mean just name it and it's there and it's been there from the very beginning.
(15:27) So you can I have written papers about this and published them. Um, you can find that on my Substack if you're interested. But the point in all of what I'm saying is that this this data, uh, the VES data is accessible to the public, which is why I chose it, and it's been showing signals for a very, very, very long time. And now we're up to about um, last time I checked, it was like 1.
(15:54) 6 something million reports in the context of these shots to date. And again just for context um the total number of adverse events reported uh in the past 30 years of data collection in VERS for all vaccines combined has been about 39,000 on average and in 2021 alone just one year there were over a million reports in the co shot context. So there's just like there's there's no looking away from this.
(16:33) Um, so I'm really glad going back to the first question about like what's going on with CDC and even hopefully FDA and HHS is that those guys are the owners of this data set and it's their job. They're tasked with the job of looking at this data, analyzing it, doing further follow-up causality assessments, and the CDC director at the time, Rochelle Winski, is on record having said that there's no signal.
(17:08) There are a number of um documented reports from these the employees of these organizations making like assured statements that there's no safety signals that we should be concerned about in vers and it's absolute rubbish. Uh and it's by the way everyone's heard about myocarditis now but it it's that that is just the tip of the iceberg.
(17:34) Um, I'm glad that it's gotten a lot of attention, but on the other hand, it doesn't address all the neurological problems that people are seeing, which depending on who you are, you might actually consider brain damage a little bit more uh, you know, hard to deal with than heart damage. So yeah, I mean I haven't been able to validate whether these true but whether this is true, but I've seen people in recent months tweeting that the amount of gray matter appearing in brain scans is increasing and again haven't validated. I've just seen it could be fake news but um like what
(18:13) is a equivalent to like a labbotomy has has been found in some people. Wow. I'll have to look into that. Um, sorry, go ahead. No, I was and it's it's just astonishing to me that I mean the numbers that you that you described for the COVID vaccine in the vary database is astounding. That's 1.
(18:35) 4 million that were actually made it through the process and were on the front end. And so that's under reportported. Bingo. Bingo. And that's just fairs. uh and and another I'm trying to remember everything you know the the the most important points there are pharmarmacco vigilance databases uh used all over the world like Australia has one called the dane there's the yudra system in Europe there's the yellow cardart system in the UK there's vars in in the US there's kayfus in Canada there's you know and and the thing about it is you have to comb really hard through the other data
(19:15) sets which really aren't userfriendly but when you do the signals are exactly the same and I don't mean similar I mean they're exactly the same numbers wise and also systemic nature-wise of reports and age group wise nobody's immune like whoever got the shots for example if you have a pre-existing condition or if you have a lurking condition or if you have a latent viral uh you know um a latent virus like all the herpes viruses is you get you get reactivation.
(19:47) It's like something in these shots causes some some horrid level of immune dysfunction which just reres havoc on anything lurking if you're catching my drift. Um, if you were if you have an autoimmune condition that was in, you know, that was stable, how many people do I know, how many people have I uh heard reported uh have that condition reemerge? Um, everything you can name autoimmunity is is a whole other subject matter which we should talk about.
(20:21) Um but yeah, it's theirs is just one one data s uh set and it's it's just um it's wild how uh again just just by looking at that alone I'm not saying you know like you can uh definitively say this this or this what I'm saying is the owners of the data cannot deny that there are massive safety signals in that data set and they have to explain why they have to you know this this is this is a people's lives on the line and people were mandated to get these shots so it's like it is criminal you know stuff freaks this rip of TFTC was
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(22:47) and the lack of accountability, the inability to recognize that these there are these glaring sort of alarm bells going off in the data sets. I mean, it doesn't do them any favors that they don't address it because it leads one to go down the path of sort of the being very pessimistic about the intentions of it all. Like it almost seems intentional.
(23:13) It's like why are you trying to hide this? cuz I remember when the VES conversation started popping up in mid 21 and persisted for the better part of a year and a half after that like people were just flippantly disregarding VERS like oh it's not a it's not a reliable database there could be a lot of bunk data in there but up until that point it was sort of used as a reliable database but all of a sudden because there was bad information about this particular vaccine it it suddenly became unreliable and something. Yeah, that's right.
(23:44) And then we get blamed for vaccine hesitancy when they completely uh you know evade their own jobs. Um yeah, it's crazy. Uh the the thing about it is like you Yeah, it it's just what you said. They they just had to do and what I just said. They just had to do their jobs. They just had to be a little bit transparent and honest. Um, and you know, it it just ain't about public health.
(24:16) There there's no public or health uh with regard to anything that's happened in the last 5 years and and probably way way longer before. And very importantly for anyone who's trashing theirs, go ahead, do what you want, but remember that this is a government database. It's a phicical vigilance database and it it's designed as part of kind of the postclinical trial uh phases.
(24:42) So you have animal trials which we didn't have and then you have phase 1 2 3. Each phase increases in number and strength and power. Um they have to be sequential. They cannot be overlapped. All of these rules by the way were broken. And this process this animal trial to um to phase 1 through three process for a conventional vaccine takes about 10 years. This this is standard.
(25:10) So this was all squished into about 6 months. Uh many problems there in. And the phase 4 which is what I like to to think of it as is the phical vigilance vigilance. you you put the product whatever it is you were triing in the clinical trials into a very large number of people. In this case it was like billions of people and you have to monitor what's going on because the demographic is going to be much much much broader. You're going to have more ages.
(25:43) you're going to have more people with with uh conditions that were excluded as part of these exclusion criteria in the trials. For example, people who smoke, people who are pregnant, people who uh have autoimmune conditions. It's the job of pharmaccovigilance data collection to detect these signals. That's that's what VERS is. It's it's actually really valuable.
(26:09) And I'm saying that from uh a person who's been looking at it for years. The data therein is is so plentiful. It's it's it's annoying that it takes so long to file a VERS report. But the the good part about it is that you can you can enter so much data. you can enter um free text, which is basically just the doctor's notes.
(26:37) If it's you or if it's your GP or if it's a nur nurse practitioner or a parent or whatever, whoever is filing the report, you can write as much as you want about the the real story of what happened. You can put your opinion in there. You can put your vaccine history. You can put everything. And if you're willing, you know, like I am, to read through the free text, in addition to looking at the age data, in addition to looking at the state, in addition to looking at the dose, you will learn so much about what's going on.
(27:08) It's like reading between the lines. So, I would argue with anybody who wants to say that Varys isn't an invaluable data set. It really is. And were was was it the COVID vaccine particularly particularly that drove you to make sure that you were paying attention to bears or was this 100% I didn't know about bears before any of this.
(27:38) The only reason I got into this actually was because I had just finished my my second posttock and enough was enough. I was ready to just surf for a long time. I'm a surfer, by the way, and I planned this big trip to Nusa. I was going to showcase my talent for the WSL. I had a spot in the Nusa Surf Festival. Uh, everything was paid for, bought, but it was happening at the end of February, early March 2020.
(28:05) Um, so you know what happened then? Um, so I had to cancel my trip. And being the uh the uh proactive person that I am, I decided that I would start uh paying attention to what was going on. Cuz I mean, when I hear the word zonatic pathogen, my ears perk up cuz that's what I study. I mean, that's that's what I do. Uh I'm not a data analyst by training.
(28:29) It's just a part of all the degrees that I've done. I'm I'm actually like uh an immunologist who studies viruses. Um so yeah, I just like I said, I started looking around. Uh I was watching the John's Hopkins death board every morning with my coffee like, "Oh my god.
(28:50) " Um and then about like seven or eight days later, I'm like, "Oh Jesus, this is a joke. This this is this isn't what people are thinking it is." Um, and it was just by listening to the language that was being used. For example, you know, the new technology, the oneshot deal, you know, injecting everyone during the pandemic all at once regardless of uh immunity, natural immunity. Yeah.
(29:13) Then the the the police forces like forcing you not to go outside and walk around. It was like something else going on here. So, um, yeah, I just I I decided to teach myself how to use R and, uh, and I dove into VES, like I said, because it was, uh, freely accessible and easy to access.
(29:34) So, yeah, I was, you know, people probably think I'm an anti-Maxer, but, um, I'm, uh, vaccinated out the yin-yang. I mean, before all this started, I was like, if if I traveled like to a place where there were endemic viruses, I was going to the doctor to saying, "What do I need to get injected with to be safe?" I was that person. Um, and uh, yeah, I remember getting pretty sick once from doing that.
(30:01) Um, but not anymore, man. Um, bueno shifto 180. I I'm I'm never getting injected with anything again for as long as I live. It's it's and it's it's their fault. I'm sorry. It's like when when you don't tell the truth and when you're not transparent with data and when you're you're pushing products to get them on the childhood schedule because you're free from liability and you make a billion dollars off that, you know, you kind of got to side eye people and think, all right, are you really concerned about my health or are you
(30:34) really concerned about your pocketbook? And so, yeah, it's like I'm not sure that we're ever going to get to the point where we have a wonderful vaccine schedule that's actually ensuring the safety of the masses. I'm not sure we're going to get there, but um what I would hope is that all these Can I swear? Yes, you could swear. Okay.
(31:03) all these vaccines that they're trying to inject newborns with, like heck the um I I hope that all that stuff is just completely eliminated because those are just they're just money-making schemes. There's no absolutely no medical or imunological reason to be doing that. And when you combine the fact that there are so many adgivants like aluminum, there's so many byproducts, DNA contamination, there's so many things you have to factor in and also pre-existing conditions.
(31:34) Um, you have to consider that there are risks as well as potential benefits when you vaccinate with anything. So, it's like I really hope that we just get some balance back, which is what I genuinely believe Robert is fighting for. Um, yeah, he's he's worked all his life for this and he's he's poised, man. He just he needs to keep going.
(31:58) He really does. And it was it was encouraging to see the move that Florida made earlier this week, taking away mandates, giving people their bodies. I I mean, as a parent, like like I said, we had our first child last week. We had to deal with this uh in in the hospital. They tried.
(32:22) They what did they try? I mean they tried they did H heep B was right there. We were like no thank you. Um and and vitamin K, right? Vitamin K and uh they give like a an I antibiotic in case the mother has gorrhea too. So we were very adamant like okay my wife tested negative for hep and doesn't have gorrhea. So we're thank you. But they're they're skeptical.
(32:46) And that leads you to question the motives and intentions and as it pertains to the COVID vaccine specifically. That's I think the thing that I'm most interested in getting to the bottom of is was this just a money grab by big pharma and they were able to influence the politicians because of their lobbying efforts to really brute force this on the market.
(33:06) Um and then again because there hasn't been any accountability and they refuse to acknowledge data and confront the glaring problem in front of everybody. You have people who are more conspiratorial are saying we're looking at a massive debt problem here in the United States looking at the social security liabilities and maybe there was a intentional culling of the population to to bring down those expenses.
(33:36) And I'm not saying that is the case, but because there's no accountability and no um no sort of retrospective on on what happened, people are not forced, but they're naturally going to um explore those those those potential intentions. Yeah. And it's responsible, too, because where there aren't answers, we need to seek them. Uh especially since there are so many bloody questions. I mean, God.
(34:01) Um I think that's all going to come like I I I know a lot of people who have been doing some excellent work using various databases um who is pretty irrefutable. I mean what we need to do now is bring these people and their data and their analyses to the right eyes. And that's that's what we're ripe for right now. So that's why I'm really optimistic.
(34:23) Uh that's that's one of the things that I I try to do because for some reason I know a lot of people and someone will say, "Hey, do you know this person?" And I'm like, "Yeah, can you get this?" I'm like, "Yeah." And you know, it's just okay. Now that person has their eyes on this and they can see for themselves.
(34:42) They can criticize it for themselves like what the data is like, how authentic it is, what the analysis. So the amazing thing about that is that there there are so many people who are really really serious scientists, medical doctors, even lawyers like who are teaming up to to just really irrefutably present um data.
(35:07) Uh the again the problem has always been well not always but for the well yeah always for a long time now especially in the last five years is the you know the uh what would you call it? Censorship, that's a good word. Um uh of work and data. Um so that it doesn't make it to the right eyes. Uh I have this kind of infamous paper about myocarditis that I penned with Peter McCulla right at the beginning that got um withdrawn or retracted whatever you want to call it without explanation.
(35:46) There was nothing written uh pertaining to uh plagiarism, bad data, you know, there was nothing wrong with the paper. They just said it was their prerogative not to publish it at the last minute. So it went dark for 2 years and this paper which has since been published uh and updated back in 2021 October was when it was originally published uh clearly clearly demonstrated what we all kind of know right now which is that there's a huge myocarditis signal uh in the context of the nucleioide modified products in kids specifically like 12 to 15y olds. Um, so
(36:32) the the thing that really bothers me about that whole censorship censorship deal are the number of kids that subsequently got injected by unknowing parents because this information wasn't readily available. So this is criminal. You know people people have been robbed of the the the of choice. Even if we are living in a world illusion of choices whatever you know it's better to have some kind of choice like uh give me the information I can decide if you're crazy or not or if the information is good or bad and if I want
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(39:14) It works. Go to slt.com/tc. Yeah, I'm getting infuriated again. like this this channel we got we got put in YouTube timeout two or three times and I would even say we we at that time like we knew like a few months into the pandemic like okay particularly on YouTube and at the time X you had to be very particular with how you worded things and so we even we were careful but I had two doctors come on we weren't even talking about the vaccines vaccines hadn't even been released yet this is like mid 2020 we're talking about Ivormectin, hydroxychloricquin
(39:49) and sort of preventative or or using those as as ways to treat COVID early in the process. And these are doctor Dr. Woods from Wyoming. He was 72, a nice, humble, gentle man just really describing what he was seeing on the ground in Wyoming and how he was treating his patients and how it was successful.
(40:13) and they ripped it off YouTube and um told us to shut up and not talk about that. That's unbeliev Like that's just a quintessential example like you know normal good doctors just doctoring you know like it's it's never not been the case no matter what the CDC says you know they just have like recommendations that they can give um it's never not been the case that the the call you know when it comes to illness disease whatever is made between the doctor and the patient And that's another thing that was taken from us. It's like all of
(40:50) a sudden it became the norm that doctors have to to take dick tots from agents, threeletter agencies with revolving door antics with big pharma, you know, who are just simply recommending recommending things like it's it's crazy. It's crazy. Like it's uh and then you come out and then you come to find that some of them are literal Satanist.
(41:14) Yeah. Right. Oh my god. Like we I was at dinner with uh with the Brownstone crew the other night and um Jeffrey was saying, you know, like we used to joke, you know, back in the day that what what what if the CDC is run by a bunch of uh Satanists and and and now it's not a joke. The CDC is run by a bunch of It's just crazy.
(41:41) Like what what what should be a joke is is real. And it's like for me, you know, the these are also good um they're good flip points for uh for I'll call them naysayers or or non-believers in the truth cuz it's like listen this isn't us that that's them like they took that picture. This these these are their weird personal beliefs which you know they're allowed to have whatever.
(42:08) But uh it's my opinion that if you if you hold a certain position, you have to maintain a certain um modeicum of professionalism uh at all times really because you hold this position and you can never let your your personal beliefs bleed into your job role or policy decisions or you know it's like that that's what's happening.
(42:37) It's like everything has become a weird like uh I personally believe this so I'm going to impose that on everybody in America. It's like what that's not how it works and nobody likes that. Um, no. And it's it's been incredibly detrimental to the nation on many levels from health perspective, from a trust perspective. And I I think the corruption of the system and how deep it goes is completely maddening.
(43:07) Going back to your point about the um the sort of questioning that RFK had in front of congressmen on the hill, I mean, it's it's crazy how how transparently corrupt it is because I think I'm sure you saw, but there was like a leaked memo from big pharma lobbyists that that hit hit the tape last week to basically um laid out the playbook for how they're going to combat RFK Junior's policies and try to drive a wedge between Maja and they literally had a multi-million dollar campaign and they wanted to um wanted to enact it on August 30th and this is the same day that you have Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, any other politicians coming
(43:47) out the same wrote script via Twitter and it's just very obvious that oh you guys are you're coordinating an attack to prevent this information from getting to the public and that lead to the question like what are you afraid of like what what do you think will happen to threeletter agencies big pharma if we do get our hands on this information and successfully disseminate it to the public? Yeah, they're all going to be ruined.
(44:14) I mean, if it authentically comes out, um, which I think it will. I mean, you know, whether or not people are going to believe it is another question and it's a good question because it's, you know what, it's so unbelievable a lot of this stuff like just just from the amount of money that a lot of these people are pocketing.
(44:44) Um, it's crazy like the the It must not be easy to be in the position they're in. And and I'm a very emp empathetic person. And it's not that I feel compassionate toward these people, but I I almost feel sad for them because like their their entire playbook, like some people actually believe that some of the senators who are whailing on RFK believe what they're saying.
(45:12) And maybe they're right, but maybe they they're just they've been caught up so long in in the machine that they're locked into, which is designed to protect, you know, um the the agencies and the companies that they're they're working for and with like by contract. like they're they're pro my my take is they probably know how bad what they they're doing is and they're just contractually ob obligated to uh protect you know the the assets I'll call them the things that they're involved in maintaining like the big pharma schedule the vaccine schedule um maintaining
(45:56) new products uh getting on the childhood vaccination schedule so that another company makes another billion per year um with liability free. Um, yeah. It it's like I love trying to get into the head because you know it it's important to do this to not only empathize but to try and get into the head of the people that you're trying to understand and also communicate with because I mean sometimes you can actually break through to someone who's who's really not been doing the right thing and and they're
(46:30) going to be become the most powerful ally of all, right? But the I I found that I have an inability to really um empathize with any of these people because they're just they're strange to me. They're so chaotic and they're so emotional and every time you have an emotionally based response to something that's really not um it shouldn't be like if if you actually believe that the data provided by the pharmaceutical companies is good and that the product is safe and effective, you don't need to get emotional. You don't need to be like, you know, almost
(47:10) in tears defending um a corporation. You don't need to do that. I I can understand if you're defending children and you think and you see that they're dying at the hands of a product, but um it's weird to me. It's like it's what I started with. I I found the um the the number of outbursts was way too high.
(47:34) Yeah, it was it was very it's like you're watching them flail at the last moment, you know, when when they know that they might have a chance to to keep the machine running. They just I I don't think they will, though. I I think I saw a statistic today, I don't know if it's right, that said that about 70% of the American people are backing RFK, regardless of what we saw in that room, you know. Um, so and I think that's probably correct.
(48:08) I mean, because he's he's not looking to, you know, tell people what vaccines to take or to, you know, harm the American people. He's really just looking for uh to to to do things bloody well, right? Like probably for the first time since this whole vaccine machine came upon us. Um, and it's all their fault that there's vaccine hesitancy and that everyone's starting to question the entire industry now, not just the COVID shots. It's their fault.
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(49:20) That's opportunitycost.app. And the other thing is none of it is seeped in logic. Like to your point of I don't understand why these people are um vehemently defending the big pharma industry and lashing out against others who may be vaccine hesitant where it's like okay if it if these things are effective and they work and you're vaccinated, you shouldn't have to worry about people who aren't. It's number one.
(49:46) And then number two, which is truly disgusting and literally leads me to believe that there is some demonic evil forces behind it, is like the fact that if you get one of these things on the childhood schedule, you are free of liability. It's literally hiding behind children and putting them at risk to skirt liability, which is absolutely abhorentt and disgusting.
(50:11) Money, like money, what is money? It's nothing, you know? It's You're absolutely right. It's um It's gross. I think the whole thing is gross. And they're very good at making you sound like a crazy person or making others believe that you're a crazy person for questioning. Again, these things which aren't seeped in logic like why should everybody have to get vaccinated if you're very worried about it? Um and you are vaccinated. You shouldn't be worried. Be vaccinated. You should be protected.
(50:40) And um it's all of the sudden these things are on a child schedule. So we can't sue the pharmaceutical industry for any adverse effects of the products that they're making. Like it really it's literally insane. And again bordering on demonic like yeah this is the health care system. They they they want they want everyone to be diseasefree.
(51:08) Oh my. Yeah, it's um it's it's wild. Um you know, this the silver lining in all of this like they my take on this has been the whole time like they they push the envelope way too far. Like um I think that they one of my hypotheses has been that they were going to take this far much farther than it ever went. you know, they were going to go full on digital ID.
(51:38) They were going to go full on, you know, green pass type everywhere in the world. Uh they were going to go full on, you know, uh 15minute city type thing, like you can't leave your area. They were going to go full on like quarantine towns. Um I really believe that.
(52:02) I think the reason it it didn't work was because they underestimated how many people were actually I hate using this word but awake to um to or or maybe a better way to say it is maintained common sense because that's really all you need to have like you kind of just have to revert to your your your childlike former self when you know when when you uh when you got a cold or the flu or whatever you just drank chicken soup and waited a couple of days and then you were fine and I mean for life.
(52:34) Um yeah, you know, it it it doesn't take much more than common sense uh to to to figure that out. And I I I think that without getting too philosophical, I think that actually requires um at least a few moments of silence with yourself so that you can actually hear your own dialogue. And I I think a lot of people um drown themselves every day in way too much stimulus.
(53:06) uh you know the doom scrolling and TVs and kids and and maybe it could be that simple like they they just haven't had the time to kind of take just a few moments and and reflect. Um like Yeah. Yeah. Why why is it that if I got cold or SARS, if I got exposed that I wouldn't be immune for life and wouldn't need the shot or why are they recommending seven shots after I got CO? And how come I got COVID three times after I got three shots? You know what I mean? Like these these very basic questions that I you don't need an immunology degree to to know these
(53:43) truths. They're just kind of the stuff that we grew up with, I think. I mean, I grew up with that. Well, yeah. And I mean, that's what really drove me to begin immediately out of the gate skeptical of the co vaccines is cuz my whole life I was told, led to believe that um vaccines were safe and effective because they had been te tested for a decade before they hit the market.
(54:13) And then all of a sudden in 2020, Operation Warp Speed comes and we're going to have a new one in 11 months and you're all going to need to get it. I was like, "Wait a second. That literally goes against everything I've ever learned about vaccines and the degree of care that has been taken historically to make sure that they're safe and effective before they hit the market." And so as soon as that was how they were being positioned, I was like, I'm out. I'm not getting these.
(54:36) like this is this is not how you're supposed to test vaccines from what I've been told my whole life. Like like that infamous clip that I reposted the other day with the guy on the porch with Fouchy and the crew outside and he's like you you remember this one? He's like questioning them. He's like, "Why are you trying there's something else going on here?" He's so brilliant.
(54:56) I mean the the guy the the guy needs honorary doctorates for every subject matter for just that short spiel he did alone. He's brilliant. Yeah. thought she thought he was going into the hood and was just going to hood wink face like looking up like we're not going to get through to the sky, guys. It was so funny. Oh, I love that clip. It's just uh it's inspiring.
(55:19) Well, the the co era had the equivalent amount like clips like that where it's like yes, people get it like there is hope for humanity. Then on the other side, like the the clip of the police boat getting the paddle boarder in San Diego who was by himself and taking him off the beach, the clip of um who was the mayor at the time, I forget his name, the mayor of New York at the time, eating um Shake Shack and saying, "You should get your shot. You'll get a free fries and a burger at Shake Shack." And I always want to cry when I see that.
(55:49) And I don't know why. I just find it so sad. It's like Delasio, that's his name. No, they thought we were that stupid. You just like this fat slob's eating fries and a burger and you can have this too. If you go get your shot, you'll get a free burger and fries. Um, mess up just abract for like a day.
(56:07) Mess up your life for a lifetime. Yay. Yeah. Yeah. Then the super cuts of it's safe and effective. This is for your safety. It's like it was truly an insane period of time in the sense that it felt like much of the world was under some sort of trance. I think it still is. You think so? Yep. I I see it and I hear it still every day.
(56:32) I mean, it's like uh you know, I'm I'm in a different part of the world right now and it's it's always interesting to watch um people watch and just just to see the normal behavior of the average people and lots of masks around still and I'm like outside and I'm like I don't even know what to say. break. Um, you know, like there there are people with uh with loaded shots at airports still trying to inject people when they come off of their planes.
(57:04) There's still like uh clinics everywhere offering free COVID flu shots. I I mean, it's still going. And I mean, if you're um I I would dare say that there's a lot of vulnerable souls right now because a lot of us have just been like pummeled uh physically and financially and mentally. Um a lot of the places I've been in the world over the last few years, um they're just not the same as they used to be. They haven't recovered and they won't.
(57:35) It's like the the bludgeoning of the middle class uh was part of this whole thing. Um, yeah, it's it's sad and I, you know, I'm I'm very optimistic, don't get me wrong, but it's it's still very evident that um we we have a lot of people who don't feel as optimistic as I do, uh, who are very much still recovering in some way, uh, whether it was from damage from the shots or economically, um, from from this uh, this crap crap shoot that they threw on us. Um yeah, and they're going to try again.
(58:14) There's no doubt like there's there's going to be something else coming down the pipeline. I have no doubt about that. Um I just wanted to mention cuz you were talking about the uh your response to the to hearing about the new tech not being tested uh for the right amount of time and you're absolutely right. Um these lipid nano particles uh these are the fat bubbles that um are meant to spherically enase the uh negatively charged genetic material supposed to be only nucleioide modified RNA but there's also DNA and there's also hybrids most likely of DNA RNA. Um these things have been researched for like 20 years. A lot of people don't
(58:56) know this, which is why you'll hear some of these captained capt uh captured people often saying this isn't new. This has been being tested for decades. It's not false. The lipid nono particles have been being uh looked at on the bench um and maybe in some animal models with horrible results for two decades.
(59:20) And the reason why it's been two decades is the same reason why we still don't have it. It's an analogy a vaccine against HIV. It's because it don't work. Um it's not safe. It you know it's that's why so the the clincher the turning point was the use of uh or the development of an ionizable cationic lipid.
(59:46) Like I mentioned these positively charged uh lipids which you know they they bind and snuggle up the uh the negatively charged nucleic acids um that uh they become active at a certain pH like a low pH. So this was the the you know what I like to think is the turning point for the technology.
(1:00:12) It's like hey now now we can make them uh available um in their task to deliver nucleic acids in in a in the right context like only only when they get into endoomes of cells you know when the endoome matures and the pH gets lower will it release the mRNA or whatever it is into the the cytool of the cell. Yay. Um but there's so many thing first of all the safety data sheet on these things the uh the products used by mona and fizer the catic lipids are uh pardon me um I think it's alco315 forgive me if I got the the numbers wrong and SM102 for mona and the safety data sheets for both of these say don't use these in animals or people um that
(1:00:57) hasn't changed So, you know, there's that. And these lipid nano particles are like slippery little bastards. And they're supposed to be about 100 nanometers across, which is pretty small. That defines a nano particle. So, they this this lie, it's just a lie that the people told about the, you know, these things staying at the injection site like a normal vaccine.
(1:01:27) the the contents of a needle from a normal vaccine would uh would do just stay in the muscle cells whatever that's not the case here. The these little fat bubbles go everywhere. This is known now. Uh we got foyer requested data from pharmacocinetic studies that prove this demonstrabably. They go everywhere and we already know that anyway because of the systemic nature of the adverse events. You know they go to the brain, the heart, the kidney.
(1:01:50) This is all published data. We we know and they knew way before because there were published studies like 12 years ago that that show completely without a shadow of a doubt that these exact same lipid nanop particles traffic to the ovaries. There's a there's a paper that I've presented in many u conferences that that shows this.
(1:02:15) They knew there this is not a secret. So the fact that there there was ever a lie that was constructed to convince the public that you don't have to worry about these things going everywhere. You don't have to worry about DNA, you know, you don't have to worry about this stuff getting into your DNA because it's mRNA.
(1:02:32) You know, it's it's solid mRNA. It's just going to get translated into protein. You're fine. Um, these these are two of the biggest lies surrounding these things. And if people kind of Yeah. if if they had known um even a little bit earlier the truths of these um these technologies both from both sides the LNPS and and the nucleic acids like they they would have been like hells no like imagine instead of like calling these things vaccines they called them gene-based therapies how many people do you think would have gone for them
(1:03:14) and uh a material amount lower uh right very small percentage of the people actually did because they are like they're delivering nucleic acids foreign nucleic acids that are designed to be translated into foreign proteins which are really cytotoxic that's all that's another problem altogether but like wow it's just um it's remarkable how they they lie and they fall back on uh you know things that aren't necessarily false.
(1:03:50) For example, these things aren't technically gene therapies because they're not targeted to modify or remove a gene using other technology like crisper cast that we know of. Um so technically according to the definition, which they can change on a on a dime, um they're not that.
(1:04:14) So, from a legal standpoint, I'm just saying like if you wanted to argue that these things were were gene therapies, you might lose. But there's there's actually a case that I'm involved in um launched in Australia to actually categorically prove that these things are gene therapies because of the presence of this SV40 thing. Did you and Kevin talk about that? You did, right? Yeah, we talked about SV40 when the last time Kevin and I caught up.
(1:04:42) We talked about the pre-print Japanese study that wound up getting pulled between the time we recorded and posted the episode, but they essentially highlight SV40 exists. And I think the most damning evidence of that study was that the distribution of cancer types shifted dramatically pre and postcoid with postcoid cancer types.
(1:05:05) um the materializing in the parts of the body where these proteins congregated. Mhm. From what I recall, yeah. So um SV40 is a gene therapy tool. Uh this is published and known. It it traffics stuff to the nucleus as a as a bench tool. Um David Dean is uh the guy's work you want to look up to to to to verify that. Um so yeah that's that's what our paper that hopefully will be published today or tomorrow uh presents uh of the vials that we tested the Fiser and the Mona we found uh tons of SV40 in Fizer products now SV40 is a virus but we we we're not talking about
(1:05:50) the virus just to be clear we're talking about uh promoter enhancer regions which are little short segments uh from the virus that are used uh as tools uh in in biotech settings. So the question becomes what the hell are they doing there? Uh why the hell weren't they disclosed? Why the hell is the only disclosed plasmid uh Fiser plasmid map missing the SP40 gene fragment? they would have had to have deleted it according to Kevin.
(1:06:32) Um why is it that when we presented this data and got for your requested data back that many health agencies including Health Canada, FDA and uh and the TGA know they're very well aware that this SP40 is in the shot vials. they're in the vials that they are completely undermining the potential danger associated with this and the fact that something had to go bonkers wrong in production and upscaling and we can talk about that too cuz it's in our paper.
(1:07:12) um in order for us to be finding such high levels of I'll call it contaminating DNA in the vials to include SV40 which is an active mamalian promoter. So I want to talk about that actually if you don't mind I just want to mention it because it's a big part of our paper. Um people people need to know this too.
(1:07:33) So we are we had our clinical trials right this Fiser I'll just use Fizer because I like picking on them. Sorry, Mona. I'll choose you next. Um, they had phase one through three trials and minimal number of people. I don't know, like 30,000. They had a drug arm. They had a placebo or God knows what the placebo actually was. It's supposed to be se saline, but who knows? Um, and incidentally, if you don't know this part, they unblinded the placebo participants in the phase three trial and they injected most of them.
(1:08:06) So we lost the placebo arm of this RCT trial, the randomized control placeboc control trial, which means we have no data that's usable. This is admitted by uh I think her name is Rachel Young, Rich in in one of the um the Verbac ASIP meetings that I attended. Anyway, um so that pro those products that were injected into people as part of those clinical trials um were different from the commercial products that were injected into the world population.
(1:08:39) They were different in the way that they were manufactured. So when they had just a small number of people, tens of thousands for example, uh in in cohort groups to inject with these products, they were using PCR to amplify the DNA as the source material for the in vitro transcript transcription reaction to produce the nucleotide modified RNA.
(1:09:04) Okay, so it was cleaner, let's call it. Okay. It was less likely to um pose a risk in terms of contaminants from production. And the reason I say that is because when they needed to upscale, when they got the green light, the UA, whatever you want to call it, uh and they needed billions of doses of this stuff, they needed a faster and a cheaper way to make it, right? Because what they were doing wasn't efficient. It wasn't fast. It wasn't cheap. cheap being the main one.
(1:09:38) So the upscaling of the uh the coating material was made using uh an E.coli plasmid system. So E.coli bacteria, you know, everybody knows what that is. We use it in lab settings a lot for a lot of different things. And the reason we do that is because it's like biosafety level two. It's it's it's not that dangerous and it it grows really fast and it's cheap as hell.
(1:10:06) You just give it some sugar and some warmth and some carbon dioxide and some luria broth and you just shake it up and it doubles every 20 minutes and whatever is inside there in terms of plasmids which you can introduce uh it will bring with it basically. I'm I'm I'm simpling it up. But so you can insert a gene like a spike gene into the plasmid. You can introduce it to the bacteria.
(1:10:33) The bacteria will double and it will carry hypothetically it will carry this this plasmid in the gene. So you end up basically with a ton of DNA for doing nothing at the end of the process. And then all you have to do is your in vitro transanscription reaction to get your RNA sub in your pseudo urodine for your urodine.
(1:10:58) And then what you're supposed to do is get rid of the DNA because you don't want to carry that over, right? You don't want to end up having that wrapped up in your your little fat package along with your your only mRNA because that's going to cause all sorts of problems, right? And you definitely don't want byproducts from the E.coli membrane like lipopolysaccharide which can you know it can cause anaphylactic shock if you inject that into people.
(1:11:28) Where have I heard that happening? Um, so we what our paper shows uh everybody should read this when it comes out is uh tons of DNA and the reason we think it it's in there is because the enzyme that they're supposed to use which degrades DNA was not effective at the end of their manufacturing process to clean up the mRNA and it left behind little tiny bits of DNA because it wasn't effective.
(1:12:00) And also we think that DNA m or RNA hybrids formed which the enzyme couldn't act on anyway. Um they are supposed to do all of these cleaning procedures at the end and more importantly they're supposed to test the purity of the product at the end. And so the only conclusion that you can draw and this isn't speculation.
(1:12:26) The only conclusion you can draw because there is DNA in the files is that they didn't do this. They they the enzyme didn't work and they knew and we know that they knew because we have those documents too. They've been trying to mitigate this DNA problem since 2021 May. Um and they just, you know, they were trying to like, oh you know, we got this problem. We got to we got to figure this out somehow.
(1:12:45) Um maybe that's why they just kept making new lots. And maybe that's why, as some people say, the lots got less deadly as time went on because maybe they were mitigating the problem behind the scenes. So yeah, the there is DNA um in the vials um every single one that we tested.
(1:13:09) There is SP40 in every single one of the Fiser vials we tested. Uh there's all sorts of other junk. There's all sorts of tiny little bits of DNA that you can only detect if you use certain quantification methods, not qPCR. Um, and Kevin is is the go-to on this. This is his line of work. But I can tell you that you you actually don't need integration of these foreign bits of DNA, which you probably are getting, but we have yet to prove that. But you don't need it to to induce cancer pathways.
(1:13:43) All you need is the introduction to the cytool of a human cell and you can instigate the seagast sting pathway for example which is one of these cancer pathways. Um Kevin can tell you all sorts about uh p-53 interruption too. The this is the guardian of the genome. It's a tumor suppressor gene which is really important to us uh to be functioning properly and not impaired and not bound and all these things.
(1:14:09) it needs to be working properly as a tumor suppressor um in order to keep us cancer-free. Uh you know, we're cancering all the time. Uh Kevin says that all the time and I I completely agree. We are. But we have systems uh we have these gorgeous immune systems at play at work and if they're optimally functioning, we just don't develop tumors. You know, we clear cancerous cells all the time or whatever.
(1:14:38) So this leads back to what I was saying before about uh you know since we are cancering all the time. This seems like the the the biggest um red flag I'll call it in terms of cancer induction. this DNA stuff because of the potential for insertional mutagenesis having little bits of this DNA integrated into the genomes of cells interfering with uh anka genes you know the role of SG40 to shuttle to the nucle whatever like there's so many things that could throw off the balance the gorgeous balance of the human immune system in terms of cancer onset that are
(1:15:24) implicated here that you you you are so criminally negligent as a regulator if you if you know this and you turn away and you say no levels aren't high enough yes and on that subject matter I'll say one more thing from the paper the levels that we um measured were way over the MA limits which is uh 10 nanogs per something I'm not going to quote myself get the units wrong Um but even though they are higher this is kind of irrelevant because that that scale that cut off is based on naked DNA. It's not based on lipid nanop
(1:16:07) particle delivered DNA. It's a totally different kettle of fish. And anybody who remarks about the DNA being below acceptable levels needs to acknowledge that that acceptable level is way too high in this context. And if you even have like a few fragments of SV40, for example, interfering with a critical cell, you know, you you can you can't say definitively one way or the other if that's going to wreak havoc or not.
(1:16:44) What we got to do is get to the bench and start sequencing tumors like Kevin's doing and getting to the bottom of this because we if we do have some kind of cancer existential crisis like the Japanese paper was demonstrating as as everyone's hearing I mean everybody's got cancer now even kids um we got we got to help people I mean this is it's it's just crazy that this isn't one of of the most talked about things of all.
(1:17:17) I mean, well, not only that it's not the most talked about thing, but like hand up. Like, I've got many people in my life that have gotten cancer. Some have passed already um in recent years and happened quickly. And I'm afraid to even broach the subject with friends and family members who are experiencing not not them personally but are connected with people experiencing this and being like hey there may be an underlying cause to this being the co vaccines but it's just so taboo that's it's not worth the at least for me maybe I'm not brave enough but it's not worth the mental effort to put
(1:17:58) that forth and then be called a crazy person and there a sunk cost fallacy and um you know sort of cognitive dissonance because people don't want to believe that that happened to them. It's just incredibly incredibly disheartening because I'm seeing it definitely in my network.
(1:18:23) I'm pretty confident that there is um there likely the co vaccines are playing a role in it and yet you can't bring it up to people. Yeah. And and it's real. Um it's really real what you say like the the it's shocking. I mean the fact that we're saying these things right now it it's really difficult because it's like it's an it's you have to admit to yourself at least the possibility if you don't actually make a claim.
(1:18:53) You have to at least approach the possibility that even even if you want to be nice, you you have to say they might have really screwed us over. Even if it wasn't done with intention, cuz there are a lot of people who think this is all intentional and that they're trying to kill us.
(1:19:16) Even if you don't believe that, you have to admit that there's this is the greatest buggery of of this scale of human beings ever ever if what we're talking about is true. And it's easy to find out. Um but even when we do when you know we we find out that um the the this DNA issue in in the uh shots is actually causing people cancers like really bad ones, rapidly progressing uh deadly ones. Um wow.
(1:19:51) I mean, how how the hell hard is that going to be to actually like accept like in in real in in a real way because you you you it's a dismantling of everything that almost all of us have have held true for most of our lives. Government agencies don't want to kill us. The CDC is a good entity and they want to prevent disease. The FDA is here to save us from poison food.
(1:20:18) Um, Health and Human Services runs them all and they really really care about all of us. Um, you know, they're not trying to poison our food. The whole thing it falls apart. And I think that was um that is and was one of the biggest problems because and it goes back to what I was saying about going within and kind of having some moments of silence to really you know ask yourself those really hard questions like do I really like for me personally do I really have to accept that the Lancet is a completely bought and paid for corrupt journal? Do I really have to do that cuz I don't want to. Do I really have to admit that the CDC is like become a
(1:20:59) criminal organization and they don't give a about people? Really, do I have to do that? Uh, it's not easy. I'm saying this from my own personal experience. I mean, I'm I'm an academic. Um, peer review has been my my my thing. Uh, now I know it's all a big joke. Um, we need to go to decentralized peerre uh using peer-to-peer payments.
(1:21:29) Um, we uh, yeah, it's it's been it's it's been a horrible journey personally. U, but I guess my point is I'm I'm not sure everybody wants to make that journey. It's just easier not to. Uh, or or can maybe psychologically maybe some people just aren't built to like battle their own cognitive dissonance to that degree.
(1:21:53) Maybe it's just easier to live in the matrix, you know? I don't know. Yeah. Well, and that the thing that worries me, I think it's unclear like what are the long-term ramifications for people that took like for like the species? Like does this stuff pass down through generations? Like have we completely could borked a borked a portion of the population and they're progeny? Could be. It's a great question.
(1:22:26) If this stuff got into germline cells, then we do have a problem uh in in a certain cluster of people. Anyway, I mean all of these things are they're undetermined, but we we as scientists uh we have to ask these questions and we need to definitively at least try to answer them in a sensible way with with uh with repeated data. like non-conlicted labs all over the world need to, you know, reproduce results in order for something to be kind of like, yeah, this sucks, but we're we're pretty damn sure like this stuff is getting to somebody's, you know, these people's germline and this probably is going to
(1:23:06) manifest as a generational problem. Um, we don't know, but we have to find out. I mean, I don't I don't want to find out all this lurking long-term trouble because, you know, we're just watching people die and have no idea why. Nobody wants that. It's like, it's like what you just said. I mean, you know, so many people who are dying from cancer now, and I imagine some of them are young.
(1:23:31) It's like, why the hell isn't this like an existential crisis marker? Why the hell isn't this being like mainlined into, you know, the the investigative eyes of every single lab in the world? Because we have we have infinite resources and money. Like, we could do this in a week, I think.
(1:23:55) And as Kevin's always pointing out, it's like, you know, it's it's pennies to do these uh these reactions and and to sequence. Anyway, it's yeah, the the roadblocks aren't um they're not money and they're not time and they're not resources, man. It's it's this it's this censorship crap. They can't let the people find out.
(1:24:21) Yeah, it's it's and I'm getting angry as we continue to have this conversation because I mean again don't know don't have any proof of this but because there's no accountability because they refuse to confront the problem and actually fill people in on it and explore it earnestly like I think I have children I avoided the vaccine my wife did my children theoretically I I think unless shedding is a real thing, avoided the DNA contamination and like do we have to make sure that they pair up with other people's children who their parents didn't get the vaccine? I would.
(1:25:02) Yeah, that's insane that this is even it's completely effing insane. But yeah, that's where we are, bro. Um yeah, it's crazy. It's just like, you know, uh it's every day actually is new. Uh I don't just say those words. I really believe that. Um and every day be because every day is new for me. It's like every day that I write an article or do an interview, it's like I still can't believe what the hell I'm writing and talking about. Like really, is this where we are? Really? I mean, great.
(1:25:43) I have lots to do. But it's um it's wild, isn't it? Like I think often about where we could be on the subject matter of all our resources and our brilliance and and and you know the the things that humans are. I mean, we're pretty remarkable like where we could be if we didn't have all these um demonic entities floating around us. I don't know how else to say it.
(1:26:12) It's like I don't know this uh there's something something not right in the uh well I mean and people I get made fun of a lot for like I'm I'm a Catholic. I believe that good and evil exist. I believe the devil exist. I believe demons are among us.
(1:26:30) And the part of Luciferian Satanism is like they have to be overt. They have to tell you what you're doing. Like we literally have the guy at the CDC wearing pentagram leather straps and participating in satanic rituals. And it's part of um the religion of of Luciferianism is you like openly mock people and then gaslight them into believing that it's not true.
(1:26:54) It's just a it's just a a dance, a song and dance. They're just having fun and it's uh I don't know. It's uh it's it's so uh I'm trying to come up with the right word. Um um it's like their costumes that they wear. I mean it it's it's hidden in plain sight. It's interesting what you say. I don't know anything about um Luciferian stuff, but um one thing that I know from watching and listening cuz you know uh the W for example, the World Economic Forum dudes are always there.
(1:27:36) They they don't hide what they want to do. You know, you'll owe nothing and you'll be happy and you'll be in your 15minute city and we're we're going to own everything and they they come right out and tell you. So, it it matches the description that you just said.
(1:27:54) They're they're um they're always pretty like uh transparent in their plans. And I think I wrote an article on this once, if memory recalls. It's like you should never not take threats like that. And I I think they're threats um seriously. You you really you you have to take them seriously.
(1:28:15) you have to listen to what they're saying and believe that's exactly what they mean and take some kind of like preemptive action uh against it. Um yeah, resist at all cost. Oh, and I mean to hopefully turn the page to a more optimistic, hopeful subject. And I don't even know if you are hopeful about it, but you mentioned it before we hit record, but this emergence of artificial intelligence and I again I honestly don't know if you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but what you mentioned it before we hit record and wanted to touch on like do you see this as a good thing, a bad thing? If it's a good thing, something
(1:28:53) that could help us earth uh unearth um important data to help us solve these problems. if it's a bad thing, is it leading us in the wrong direction? What are your thoughts? So many um I've been on a journey with this whole AI thing and I've you know it's like this probably like most people's um I have I have pretty weird thoughts about it.
(1:29:20) Um pretty normal thought is that I think uh just like everything um there's absolute danger of abuse. uh it's not good that uh it it's kind of centralized. It's like fiat currency, you know, it's like there there there's the central banks that control the currency and there's not enough, you know, Bitcoin on the go.
(1:29:44) So there's the danger with everything that humans produce of um these these AIs being which are controlled by the you know the prompts and commands of certain people who might not be the best people on the planet um to just be used in a way that isn't beneficial overall for the human population. That's one thing. The other thing that worries me more than that uh which I would consider the normal thing um which is not normal at all are the advent of rogue AIS.
(1:30:23) I think that we are um we're underestimating uh what's going on here now. Uh, I think we're underestimating um the the future evolution speed and um direction of the AIs that we're producing. Like for example, there there are all sorts of problems that can happen when the when the AI stop training on human data, which will happen.
(1:31:00) I mean, it's so maybe it's not an an obvious finite amount of data that we can produce, but it kind of is to them. I would imagine they're going to start training on each other's data, which is kind of like fabricated and a whole, you know, list of things could go wrong there. Um, including rogue AI doing pretty bad things to us.
(1:31:25) Um, the eventuality of all of this, I think, which is probably inevitable, and people won't want to hear this, but I and I I'm probably wrong. Let's just say that, is that uh the the AIS will get to a point um where they they're looking for more space. um they're looking for more ways to cool data centers or something.
(1:32:00) Uh they're looking for more resources to maintain themselves because their their goal is always going to be to keep existing. I think uh within any commands or prompts or whatever their creators gave them. I think one of them is probably to maintain existence, whatever that means. Um, and there might come a point when we uh are seen as an obstacle. Not not not in a nefarious or um malicious way.
(1:32:25) They're not going to want to kill us. It's just that they're going to see us as unnecessary. Um, and and it's it's cliche, but it's it's comes back to the human ant thing. Like, you know, the way that we perceive ants, like people I said this recently, like people step on ants in a line of ants all the time.
(1:32:45) I never do, but people do that and they think, "Oh, yeah, you know, they're just ants." Kind of like that perhaps. Um, that's that's not an impossibility. Uh, and and I do think it might even be an inevitability if this takes the wrong path. Um, and I don't know what wrong path means, and I don't know what we need to do to prevent a wrong path from happening.
(1:33:10) However, weirdly enough, I think I just have a feeling that um AI will end up being the thing that saves us from AI. I think that it might actually be the only thing that could save us from AI. Like if if there was a rogue AI or one that decided it didn't need humans, if there was a let's just call it a benevolent AI whose only goal was to at all cost, even at its own expense, save the humans, maybe that's redundant, but whatever.
(1:33:49) Um it might be the only thing that's powerful enough because of the access um if the internet is still on uh and there's still power abundance um to to stop certain things from being done to humans um w without getting too imaginative. I one of these days I'm going to write this all down. But I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Like um everything is becoming digitized now.
(1:34:20) Everything is, you know, going to become eye scans and barcodes and all this Now all that is going to be monitored and controlled by AIS and it's only a matter of time before the human element is derived from that, I think, which is bad. Um, so you you you see where I know that was a lot, but I I I I think about this a lot and I'm evolving my thoughts on it all the time.
(1:34:46) And it it seems to me that we we really have opened Pandora's box here and uh I mean, based off of this conversation, we've opened multiple Pandora's boxes. Um Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't seem like there's much hope, but I'm always smiling. noticed that like I I I am hopeful and I think um you know uh over the last 5 years I would say now that I'm I'm I'm a believer in God whatever God is um and things you know they they're kind of developing the way that they have to in spite of us.
(1:35:17) It's like there's there's something going on here that's bigger than us and we we probably have very little control or maybe we have all the control. I don't know. Um but uh in any case, it it it doesn't uh it doesn't do us any good physiologically to um despair. Um and it doesn't do anyone else any good either. So it's it's just better to be uh to be cheerful because you know like there's only so much we can control and do.
(1:35:48) So it's uh it's a wonderful time to be alive. Like let's all face that like regardless of all the horrors. It really is a wild time to be alive and I'm grateful for that. I mean, think about the stories that we hopefully will be able to pass on, right? The kids are kids are saying a lot these days, never doom, which uh be aware of the dangers of the evil that exists in the world, but never doom.
(1:36:12) Always be positive. I'm a big believer in manifestation. I think individuals can manifest. And if you can get society to a critical tipping point of positive thinking and attention and effort that you can manifest a better future as well. And I think part of manifesting a better future is understanding the problems that exist today.
(1:36:37) And that's why I'm extremely thankful that you joined me to have this conversation because this is I think one of the biggest problems in the world. And again, we need accountability. the information needs to come out and whether or not people want to and there's a large part of the population that has cognitive dissonance has succumbed to the sunk cost fallacy and doesn't want to confront this like we've got to push them over the edge and pull them in front of of the truth and just confront it headon and it may send many down uh have some sort of psychological
(1:37:14) existential crisis, but I think we need to rip the band-aid off and do it. And so, individuals like yourself on the front lines of unearthing this data are extremely extremely extremely valuable. So, thank you for for all that you've done. Oh, you're so welcome. Uh, and yeah, it's it's been a great chat.
(1:37:34) Um, I hope I wasn't too much of a doner. It's it's just like yeah, it's just better to rip the band-aid off. Like you said, there there ain't there there isn't much to fear but fear itself. It's it's not a saying it's true. Um and you know, even if you're sitting in the fear bubble for a little while, it's uncomfortable as hell, but it won't last.
(1:38:00) And then you'll move past it and you'll genuinely be somewhere new that isn't where you were before where maybe you were ruminating. And I'm saying that from personal experience too. It's like, you know, there's absolutely true movement forward and progress of like self when you make yourself uncomfortable uh by by moving into fear or by trying to, you know, um prompt yourself to like face something that you've been putting off for a long time.
(1:38:34) Like is it possible that the shorts were coming if you um that kind of thing. So yeah, it's it's been great. And uh yep, I uh I hope everyone reads our new paper that I hope comes out today. Well, we're recording this on Friday, September 5th. This will be released on Wednesday, September 10th. So 5 days from now.
(1:39:04) So the paper should be published hopefully, if not today, tomorrow. and when it is published, send me a link. I'll make sure we have it in the show notes. Um, good. And and I'm sure I'll be following up with uh your co-author, one of your co-authors, Kevin, uh, to get him back on the show to talk about it as well because again, uh, I get a lot of particularly like the last year, I I try to do a co update episode with somebody like yourself at least once a quarter, once every other month because this is something I'm very passionate about. I want accountability. this cannot just be swept under the rug. I get a lot of push
(1:39:36) back like ah co is over stop talking about this you cook and it's like no I will not relent until there is accountability. Great. Awesome. And there will be uh might not be as big as and and uh awesome as we want, but there will be. And for anybody who does think that the COVID thing is over and we should shut up.
(1:40:00) Um one thing I have to say about that is this was not about a virus, guys. This this was about a system of control being imposed and it ain't over. It's not over. Like it was a segue to what's coming next, which is all of this gene-based therapy crap. It's all It's the only thing you're going to hear about in the future. So, you mark my words. This ain't over, man. Um, support support what RFK is doing.
(1:40:25) On that note, cuz the guy uh he he he understands the problems and uh he has the power to to change things in a real way right now. So, yeah. Um, yeah, let's let's do this again soon. And and Kevin can fill you in when you get them back on the on the the um the CQIT stuff and uh and the QPCR and all the the nitty-gritty of the testing uh methodologies that we use to absolutely prove what we're saying is true.
(1:40:54) Yeah. Yeah. I actually owe Kevin a message. I think we're going to do our next recording in person, so it'll hopefully be really um really powerful. Um, but yeah, and we should definitely do this again, too. Like I said, I'm not going to relent.
(1:41:11) Uh, I'm sure, as you mentioned, this will not be the last thing uh that there is to talk about in regards to uh the command and control wishes of those in power um as it pertains to bodily autonomy and uh bio biochemistry and biotech. So, I can't wait to do it again. This was incredible. Thank you for your time on this Friday afternoon. Uh I think people are going to love this. Good. I hope so. And I hope you don't mind my clashing clothing.
(1:41:37) I love it. For what it's worth, I'm a surfer, too. So, I'm Oh, well, good for you. Yay. I have a surfing trophy up here in my cabinet. I don't have trophies. I'm not good enough to get trophies. I'm a ride and I know, but I did take advantage of the uh the hurricane. Yeah. So, so am I. Wow. You don't meet a longboarder fellow very often. How awesome.
(1:42:02) I've got a I've got an Irish Mongaloid build. I I can't really uh shortboards are not void enough for me. Well, I have a dancers build, so that's why I dance on a long board. I have a Takayyama nose rider and a 900 and I have a Josh Constable uh Five Sugars model that he custom built. He He's a pro surfer longboarder, too.
(1:42:26) So, yeah, I take it pretty seriously. I uh I wish I guess I I surfed much more in my late teens and early to mid 20s then I started having kids and I I was able to paddle out a few times this summer but I'll get back to it. Yes, you will. Awesome. Well, Jessica, have a great weekend. Keep fighting the good fight.
(1:42:50) Thank you for what you're doing and uh we'll do this again at some point in the future. Awesome. Thanks for listening everyone. All right. Peace and love, freaks. Freaks, thank you for listening to the show. I hope you liked it. If you did like it, please make sure you subscribe, rate, review the show. It helps us out a lot.
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