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MMR Vaccines Kill More Than Measles, The Data

Nic Hulscher returns to break down Pennsylvania's fabricated measles deaths, VAERS MMR data showing the vaccine kills more than the disease, the mRNA flu vaccine's buried trial data, turbo cancers, and why ivermectin is showing an 84% remission signal in cancer patients.

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Nic Hulscher on the TFTC podcast discussing MMR vaccine deaths, mRNA cancer mechanisms, and ivermectin cancer research
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I DM'd Nic Hulscher the moment Governor Shapiro went on his media tour. Two announced measles deaths in Pennsylvania, a push to give the state power to intrude in schools and homes over vaccine compliance, and wall-to-wall coverage treating it all as settled fact. Something was off, and I wasn't going to let it go just because the 24-hour news cycle moved on.

Nic came back on the show to walk through what actually happened in Pennsylvania, what the VAERS data shows for 2026, and what his published research has found across three decades of MMR vaccine deaths versus measles deaths. We also got into the mRNA flu vaccine that the FDA just approved despite its own trial data showing two unexplained deaths for every flu hospitalization prevented, the 35 distinct mechanisms by which Hulscher's cancer study links mRNA technology to tumor growth and acceleration, and the real-world ivermectin and mebendazole cancer data that the chemo cartel is working overtime to suppress.

This is not a topic I'm letting go of. We don't have accountability yet, and we're already speedrunning into the next mRNA product. So here's the full breakdown.

Key takeaways

  • Pennsylvania announced two measles deaths in 2026; according to Hulscher, the Lancaster County coroner confirmed the first was caused by a ruptured spleen and internal bleeding, not measles, and zero clinical details were ever released on the second. The episode appears to have been manufactured to arrest collapsing MMR uptake.
  • In 2026, VAERS shows zero measles deaths and at least three MMR vaccine-linked deaths, including a 1-year-old who died of cardiac arrest one day after receiving MMR and a battery of other vaccines, a 1-year-old girl who died of vaccine-strain rubella infecting her vital organs, and a 76-year-old woman whose lungs showed vaccine-strain measles at autopsy.
  • Hulscher's 30-year study found 2,600% more MMR vaccine deaths than measles deaths since the 1990s. The vaccine is deadlier than the disease in virtually every recent year, and the media buries every one of those deaths while amplifying measles scares that don't hold up to scrutiny.
  • The FDA approved Emfluciva, Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine, despite data in its own briefing document showing that preventing one flu hospitalization requires 4,000 adverse events, 300 disabling grade-3 reactions, and two unexplained deaths in the vaccinated population, per Hulscher's reanalysis.
  • Hulscher's cancer study identifies 35 distinct mechanisms by which mRNA technology can promote, induce, or accelerate cancer, including suppression of tumor suppressor genes p53 and BRCA and T-cell exhaustion. Since the 2021 mRNA rollout, he found over 150,000 excess cancer deaths in CDC Wonder Mortality Database data, a graph that keeps climbing.
  • 84% of cancer patients in Hulscher's real-world study reported tumor regression, disappearance, or halted growth after adding ivermectin and mebendazole to their existing treatment. That signal dwarfs most chemotherapy benefit rates. A CIA document from the 1950s showed Soviet researchers had already found antiparasitics had anti-tumor activity, and it stayed classified for over 60 years.

Pennsylvania's Measles Hoax

This was an absolute disaster debacle, in Hulscher's words, and I agree with every syllable of that.

Pennsylvania announced two measles-associated deaths. The first, per Hulscher, was confirmed by the Lancaster County coroner to have been caused by a ruptured spleen, a laceration, and internal bleeding. It had nothing to do with measles. The second death came with zero case details, no age, no contributing factors, no clinical vignette. Nothing.

By Hulscher's reckoning, that one was either also not a measles death or was fabricated outright. The purpose of the exercise, as I read it, was to push MMR uptake that is rapidly collapsing because people don't trust it anymore. And while Shapiro was on his media tour, the actual 2026 data was sitting in VAERS telling a very different story.

Hulscher pulled the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System for 2026 MMR vaccine deaths. Zero measles deaths. At least three MMR vaccine-linked deaths. A 1-year-old who received MMR alongside a battery of other vaccines and died of cardiac arrest the next day. A 1-year-old girl who died of disseminated rubella, the MMR contains live attenuated rubella virus, and the vaccine-strain rubella spread to her vital organs and caused multi-organ failure.

A 76-year-old woman who received MMR and died of respiratory failure; when they examined her lungs, they found vaccine-strain measles.

And then there's his 30-year study. According to Hulscher's published research, there have been 2,600% more MMR vaccine deaths than measles deaths since the 1990s. The media runs wall-to-wall sympathy for measles scares built on fabricated deaths and offers nothing for the children and elderly dying from the vaccine.

Meanwhile, the Brady Bunch episode where the kids have a measles party plays like satire now, but it wasn't. Measles was understood to be a mild, self-limited illness. Hulscher notes the case fatality rate is lower than the flu's, and that the hospitalization numbers the media loves to cite are inflated by containment admissions, not clinical severity. He also points out that natural measles infection is associated in the literature with reduced cancer risk later in life.

The Amish Are a Problem Because They're Thriving

I grew up in Pennsylvania. I understand the politics of the Commonwealth. And the governor's office views the Amish as a problem because they are a living control group that blows up the narrative.

The Amish are one of the fastest-growing populations in the country. They don't participate in the vaccine schedule. They grow and eat their own clean food. And they seem to be doing just fine.

That is not a fact the public health bureaucracy wants studied or publicized, because the results would be damaging to everything they've been pushing.

Hulscher's read is the same: they don't want to study the Amish because they'll find way less chronic disease, way less autism, and a cohort that is faring much better than the people following the 72-dose-by-age-18 schedule. None of those 72 doses were tested in pre-licensing placebo-controlled trials. None were tested cumulatively. Nobody knows what injecting all of that into a child does.

There was also an Amish farmer, Amos Miller, who had been targeted by the federal government for years over his food operation. Marty noted that within the last month relative to recording, the case against him was dropped. That prosecution was part of the same pattern: the state going after people who are living outside the approved system and thriving there.

Big Pharma is also deeply embedded in Pennsylvania. Being born and raised in Philadelphia, I know what the industry means to that state's economy and its political class. When HHS relaxed the vaccine schedule under Kennedy, Pennsylvania's reaction was immediate and aggressive. That's not a coincidence.

The RICO Lawsuit Against the American Academy of Pediatrics

I didn't know about this until Hulscher brought it up, and it stopped me cold.

The American Academy of Pediatrics is now facing a federal RICO lawsuit, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, filed by Children's Health Defense's legal team. The allegation is that the AAP has been running a vaccine racketeering scheme for roughly 30 years. The claim: the AAP receives large sums from Merck, Pfizer, Moderna, and other childhood vaccine makers. In exchange, it pushes dangerous and fraudulent vaccine recommendations, including COVID mRNA shots for infants, recommendations built on vaccines that were never properly tested in pre-licensing placebo-controlled trials and were never tested for cumulative effects.

That's the allegation. The lawsuit was filed a few months before we recorded. No updates had emerged at the time of our conversation. But CHD's legal team has been doing serious work, and this case deserves serious attention from anyone following this beat.

The AAP's schedule is the one pharma-captured states like Pennsylvania are hiding behind when they resist HHS guidance. Follow that money.

The mRNA Flu Vaccine Is Human Sacrifice on the FDA's Own Numbers

The FDA approved Emfluciva, Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine. What Hulscher's team did was take the FDA's own briefing document, the tables they presented to get the thing approved, and do the risk-benefit analysis the FDA didn't bother to do themselves. They just laid out the numbers in giant tables and apparently hoped nobody would connect the dots.

Hulscher's reanalysis, per his published study, found the following: to prevent one flu hospitalization, 4,000 people in the vaccinated population had to suffer an adverse event, 300 had to suffer a disabling grade-3 reaction that prevents daily activity, and two had to die unexplained deaths. The mRNA group was 2.5 times more likely to die compared to the traditional flu shot comparator, and Hulscher says that finding was statistically significant. The adverse event rate was 75% in the mRNA group versus 40% in the traditional flu shot group. Severe grade-3 reactions were six times higher in the mRNA group.

They approved it anyway.

Hulscher sent the study directly to Secretary Kennedy. He says Kennedy confirmed receipt and stated they're taking it seriously. I hope that's true. A less than 5% chance of withdrawal is Hulscher's honest estimate, and I don't think he's being pessimistic.

My own position is simple. I haven't gotten a flu vaccine since high school. I don't recommend it. But if the elderly people in my life are going to get one regardless, my floor advice is: at minimum, don't get the mRNA version. Get the old one.

That is the least I can do given what the data is showing. We're speedrunning into this without any clarity about safety. The COVID mRNA rollout isn't resolved. People are dying of turbo cancers.

And the same infrastructure that rubber-stamped the COVID shots is now running the same process for flu. It forces you to think conspiratorially about what's going on. I said that in March when Nic first came on, and I'll say it again now.

Are they trying to depopulate? I land on greed as the core driver, with nefariousness as a plausible co-driver. Either way, the outcome for the public is the same.

Turbo Cancers and 150,000 Excess Deaths

Hulscher published what he describes as the most thorough study to date on the link between COVID mRNA vaccines and cancer. He identified 35 distinct mechanisms by which the technology can promote, induce, or accelerate cancer.

The mechanisms he walked through include genomic integration and insertional mutagenesis, transcription errors where the mRNA is read incorrectly and the ribosomes produce what he calls monster proteins that contribute to cancer, disruption of the protein-to-protein interaction network, hyperinflammation that primes the body for cancerous growth, suppression of tumor suppressor genes p53 and BRCA so the body can no longer detect these cancers, and T-cell exhaustion that strips the immune system of its primary weapon against tumors.

All of those mechanisms converge at once. A tumor that might have been kept in check by the immune system for decades suddenly loses every brake at the same time. The time to clinical cancer compresses from decades to a month. That's a turbo cancer.

On the population side, Hulscher's team pulled CDC Wonder Mortality Database data. Since 2021, since the mRNA rollout, there have been over 150,000 more cancer deaths than normal among Americans. The graph keeps going up. It is not reverting to baseline.

He also brought up the BioNTech mRNA colon cancer vaccine trial. Per Hulscher, BioNTech terminated the trial because the mRNA group died at a higher rate than the group that received no treatment at all. The mRNA group received up to 15 IV boosters of neoantigen-encoding mRNA.

The no-treatment group fared better. That's one of the first randomized tests of mRNA in cancer, and the result was disastrous.

The mechanism is the same as with the COVID shots. The lipid nanoparticles go everywhere, brain, heart, every vital organ system. For cancer, instead of instructing cells to make spike protein, they instruct them to make mutated tumor proteins called neoantigens. When your neurons and cardiomyocytes are expressing mutated tumor proteins, your immune system attacks them.

Brain damage, heart damage, higher mortality. That's what the trial showed, according to Hulscher. Elon Musk and others have suggested mRNA has promise for cancer. Hulscher's position, and the trial data he cited, says otherwise.

Ivermectin, Mebendazole, and the Cancer Cartel

Hulscher's real-world study looked at roughly 200 cancer patients taking ivermectin and mebendazole alongside whatever treatment they were already doing, chemo, radiation, surgery, supplements. 84% declared complete remission, tumor shrinkage, or halted cancer growth after six months, per his published findings.

That is not a signal you see with chemotherapy. Not even close. Chemo benefit rates, depending on cancer type, run from around 20% to 40%, and chemotherapy destroys the body in the process.

The anti-cancer mechanisms Hulscher catalogued across hundreds of preclinical studies include: apoptosis induction specifically in cancer cells while leaving healthy cells alone; anti-angiogenesis, cutting off the blood supply to tumors; glycolysis inhibition, starving tumors of sugar; microtubule disruption blocking cancer cell division; targeting of cancer stem cells that chemotherapy misses entirely; and disruption of cancer cell signaling. Across more than 12 cancer types, in laboratory settings, these drugs kill cancer cells with 12 distinct mechanisms.

Florida is funding a randomized controlled trial. Results are expected in a couple of years. Hulscher's team is already planning a follow-up study with over 1,000 patients honing in on specific cancer types.

The CIA angle is one that stops me every time I think about it. Per Hulscher, in the 1950s the CIA had a Soviet study showing that antiparasitics have anti-tumor activity. They classified it. It stayed classified for over 60 years and wasn't declassified until 2010.

That set back this research by half a century. If you're looking for a reason to think conspiratorially, you don't have to look very hard.

Meanwhile, oncologists today are firing patients who want to add ivermectin or mebendazole to their existing treatment. Not replace it, add it. And the fact-checking operations funded by cancer biologic developers are running cleanup, calling it dangerous and ineffective.

On the "dangerous" claim: ivermectin is safer than Tylenol. Safer than ibuprofen. It's taken daily as an anti-malaria prophylactic across Africa. In Hulscher's study, there were no major adverse events. The main side effects at high doses are GI upset and mild dizziness.

The only real contraindication is pre-existing liver failure. The "it's dangerous" framing is a lie, and I knew it was a lie when I went deep on ivermectin's safety profile during COVID. The cognitive dissonance required to maintain it is enormous.

What You Can Actually Do

My family and I have been CrowdHealth members for five years now. We joined when I left my last job, went on COBRA briefly, and then opted out of the traditional health insurance system entirely. We've had two babies and multiple health events covered through CrowdHealth. As a family of five, we pay around $700 a month.

They negotiate healthcare costs down, sometimes 50, 60, 80%, and the crowd covers costs beyond your initial share. If you're watching what's being approved and wondering how to opt out of the system that produces it, opting out of conventional health insurance is a real step. Code TFTC at joincrowdhealth.com gets you $99 a month for the first three months.

On the broader question of what to do: Hulscher's answer is share the studies with friends and family, start a social media account or a podcast, contact your local representatives with the evidence. The easiest specific thing I'm doing right now is warning elderly people in my life about the mRNA flu vaccine. I don't tell them to skip the flu shot if they've made up their mind. I tell them to at minimum take the traditional one and stay away from the mRNA version.

Don't be afraid of being called a quack or an anti-vaxxer. The people throwing those labels are on the losing end. Trust in the credentialed consensus is cracking, and more people than you think are ready to hear what the data actually says.

I've had successful conversions through light-touch nudging toward the research. It works.

On the prevention side: Hulscher ended the conversation talking about magnesium, and I want to make sure this lands. A randomized placebo-controlled trial on magnesium L-threonate found that 2 grams daily produced significant improvements in overall cognition, working memory, and reaction time, the equivalent, per the study's findings, of a brain performing 7.5 years younger after six weeks.

L-threonate crosses the blood-brain barrier more readily than most forms of magnesium. Magnesium glycinate does something similar for the neurological system and costs a lot less. Avoid magnesium oxide, that's a laxative, not a supplement.

My wife and I have been using transdermal magnesium L-arginine on the bottoms of our feet every night for about three years. I sleep eight hours straight, wake up refreshed. I'm not telling you what to take. I'm telling you what I do, and it works for me.

The broader thesis Hulscher closed with is the right one: sunlight, adequate vitamin D, sleep, magnesium, nutrition, exercise. These things reduce cancer risk, all-cause mortality risk, diabetes risk, and they improve immune function against the very diseases the mRNA shots are supposedly targeting, and they do it more effectively, without gene therapy. The goal is building a body that doesn't need an mRNA cancer vaccine.

I'm not giving this beat up. Not until there's accountability and something resembling sensible medical policy in this country.

About Nic Hulscher

Nic Hulscher is a public health researcher whose published work spans vaccine safety, mRNA technology and cancer mechanisms, and antiparasitic cancer treatments. He has published studies examining MMR vaccine deaths versus measles deaths over 30 years, a reanalysis of the Emfluciva mRNA flu vaccine clinical trial data, a study on ivermectin and mebendazole in cancer patients, and a study identifying mechanisms linking mRNA technology to cancer promotion and acceleration. He is a recurring guest on TFTC. His research has been shared with HHS officials including Secretary Kennedy.

Sources mentioned

  • VAERS public database (CDC/FDA): the source Hulscher used to pull 2026 MMR vaccine-linked deaths and confirm zero measles deaths
  • CDC Wonder Mortality Database: the dataset underlying Hulscher's finding of 150,000-plus excess cancer deaths since 2021
  • Hulscher's published 30-year MMR study: cited in the episode as the source for the 2,600% figure; consult Hulscher's published work directly for journal citation
  • Hulscher's Emfluciva reanalysis: cited as forthcoming in a peer-reviewed journal at time of recording; attributed throughout to his research team's findings
  • Hulscher's real-world ivermectin/mebendazole cancer study: cited as the source for the 84% remission/shrinkage/halted-growth signal; consult his published work for full methodology and endpoints
  • Hulscher's mRNA-cancer mechanisms study: cited as the source for the 35 distinct mechanisms, including p53 and BRCA suppression and T-cell exhaustion

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Timestamps

  • 0:07 - Intro
  • 0:33 - Pennsylvania's measles deaths
  • 5:24 - How deadly is measles really?
  • 8:17 - The Amish as a control group
  • 12:04 - AAP RICO lawsuit
  • 15:37 - mRNA vaccines and turbo cancer
  • 22:11 - Is there any safe use case for mRNA?
  • 28:58 - Confidence in stopping the mRNA flu vaccine
  • 38:34 - Ivermectin and mebendazole for cancer
  • 42:46 - Ivermectin safety profile
  • 47:56 - What to tell elderly family members
  • 54:03 - Magnesium forms and brain health
  • 56:16 - Closing: accountability and preventative health

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Frequently Asked Questions

According to Hulscher's published 30-year study, there have been 2,600% more MMR vaccine deaths than measles deaths in the United States since the 1990s. In 2026 specifically, VAERS showed zero measles deaths against at least three MMR vaccine-linked deaths, including two infants. That data comes from Hulscher's research; readers should consult the published study and the VAERS public database directly.

Per Hulscher, no. He says the first death was confirmed by the Lancaster County coroner to have been caused by a ruptured spleen and internal bleeding, not measles. The second death was announced without any clinical details, no age, no contributing factors, nothing. Hulscher's position is that the deaths were used to manufacture a public health emergency to shore up collapsing MMR vaccine uptake.

Emfluciva is Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine, approved by the FDA. Hulscher's team reanalyzed the clinical trial data from the FDA's own briefing document and found, per their published study, that preventing one flu hospitalization requires two unexplained deaths and 4,000 adverse events in the vaccinated population. The mRNA group was 2.5 times more likely to die than the traditional flu shot comparator group, a result Hulscher says was statistically significant. The FDA approved it anyway.

Children's Health Defense's legal team filed a federal RICO lawsuit against the American Academy of Pediatrics alleging that the AAP receives large sums from Merck, Pfizer, Moderna, and other vaccine makers and in exchange pushes dangerous and fraudulent vaccine recommendations, including COVID mRNA shots for infants. The suit was filed a few months before this episode recorded. No updates had emerged at the time of our conversation.

The preclinical literature contains hundreds of studies showing more than 12 anti-cancer mechanisms across more than 12 cancer types, per Hulscher's summary of the research. His own real-world study of roughly 200 cancer patients found that 84% reported tumor regression, disappearance, or halted growth after six months of adding these antiparasitics to their existing treatment. Florida is funding a randomized controlled trial with results expected in a few years. Hulscher attributes this signal as his research team's findings; the data should be weighed alongside the formal trial results when they arrive.

Turbo cancer is a term for cancer that progresses from subclinical to clinical in weeks or months rather than decades. Hulscher's study identifies 35 mechanisms by which mRNA technology can simultaneously suppress tumor detection, exhaust T-cells, and accelerate tumor growth, converging to compress that timeline dramatically. His analysis of CDC Wonder Mortality Database data found over 150,000 excess cancer deaths in the United States since the mRNA rollout began in 2021, with the trend continuing upward.

Magnesium L-threonate is the form shown in a published randomized placebo-controlled trial to cross the blood-brain barrier most efficiently, with a 2-gram daily dose producing cognitive improvements equivalent to a brain performing 7.5 years younger in six weeks per the study's reported findings. Magnesium glycinate is a cheaper alternative that Hulscher says behaves similarly for neurological benefit. Magnesium oxide absorbs poorly and functions primarily as a laxative at high doses.

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