Key Takeaways

Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin reveal how Epstein-linked ventures, predictive policing firms like Palantir, and digital ID mandates are converging into a global surveillance-financial control grid. From Vietnam’s mass biometric debanking to the U.S. Genius Act’s quiet push for digital ID, governments are exploiting crises to centralize power, censor dissent, and restrict financial freedom. This is part of a broader transhumanist agenda championed by elites like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin, who envision a techno-feudal order. Yet resistance is possible through Bitcoin, Nostr, open-source AI, local self-reliance, and community resilience.

Best Quotes

“Carbine 911 was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epstein… now they’ve slowly taken over the 911 call systems of counties across the United States.”

“In the U.S., it looks like it’s going to slide in with the Genius Act, framed as an essential pillar to financial regulation.”

“Vietnam closed 84 million bank accounts, telling people they could be rebanked if they agreed to biometric ID.”

“They capitalize on real tragedies to justify bigger budgets, more control, and removal of liberties, it’s the same strategy of tension used for decades.”

“Their goal is a humane alternative to genocide: virtualizing the unproductive into pods with immersive VR… a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”

“Digital ID won’t work unless everybody complies. We need to normalize pushing back as much as possible.”

“The end result of cryptocurrency might literally be the U.S. Treasury running the entire financial system if people don’t fight back.”

“Go meet your neighbor, start a garden, raise chickens. Local resilience is how we resist being herded into digital corrals.”

Conclusion

The episode warns that crises, whether mass shootings, terrorism, or financial shocks, are being used to justify an expanding technocratic state, threatening privacy, sovereignty, and freedom. But the antidote lies in building parallel systems: decentralized tools like Bitcoin and Nostr, independent media, and local networks of trust and resilience. The battle is between compliance with digital serfdom or proactive steps toward sovereignty.

Timestamps

0:00 - Intro
1:42 - Palantir mafia and stablecoins
7:57 - Vietnam debanking
10:48 - Noncompliance and speech laws
19:44 - Obscura & Bitkey
21:29 - Precrime infrastructure
30:28 - Platform pressure
34:32 - Al-Qaeda's diplomatic welcome
37:35 - Great Reset rebrand
44:48 - Elite transhumanists
56:29 - SLNT & Unchained
58:01 - Patriot Act expansion
1:04:52 - Manufactured political division
1:23:34 - AI independence and physical media
1:38:58 - Touch grass

Transcript

(00:00) He said, quote, "Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide, the removal of undesirable elements from society, but without any of the moral stigma. A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement. The cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface that allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.
(00:25) " In 2019 specifically, they really started selling themselves as preventing mass shootings before they happened. Carbine 911 was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epste. Now, they've slowly taken over the 911 call systems of a litany of counties across the United States. Palanteer was specifically really created to be a pre-rime entity. When people like that say they're not spying on Americans, it's kind of hard to trust them.
(00:44) Kirsty is pushing through digital ID to stop illegal immigration, but it seems like in the US they're actually instead of sneaking it through border stuff, it's going to slide in with the Genius Act. the definition of how the government defines domestic terrorism. It includes people really on both sides of the divide.
(01:02) People that are against perceived government overreach, for example, they use whichever group is convenient to pander to their base to justify us giving up liberty for perceived security. A few of the platforms left where people can kind of have a somewhat of a public square, they're actually a centralized choke point. They're actually picking and choosing companies that have a less chance of being independent.
(01:19) The so-called libertarian elites behind people like JD Vance are very overtly transhumanist and think that the only way forward is to basically merge with machines. They are playing us against ourselves and some of them play the role of we're elites on this side and we're elites on the other side to help engineer the divide and conquer necessary to hurt us into this cattle pin.
(01:43) Guys, it's been 10 and 1/2 months since we since we last caught up. That's a long time. Jeez. A lot of time was we recorded uh I believe November 10th, 2025, which was 2 days after the election. We talked about Palunteer Mafia coming in. And when I was thinking about how to start this conversation, I'm sure you guys saw it, but Alex Karp at the All-In Summit very confidently letting the people of the United States know that Palunteer is not spying on individual Americans.
(02:14) At first I was like, "Oh man, maybe I've really misunderstood Palanteer." And then I was like, "Wait a second." Like, "How how is that possible?" Yeah. Do you remember when like James Clapper lied about how they were uh spying on Americans under oath and didn't get in trouble for it? Mhm. Yeah. I think when people like that say they're not spying on Americans, it's kind of hard to trust them given a lot of the precedents, you know. Yeah. James Clapper, NSA.
(02:43) The NSA is not going to work with Palanteer, though. They can't get the contracts. They don't spy enough. That's what was told. Well, um, pretty sure the contract for all 18 US intelligence agencies. Yeah. Well, I guess a year into the Trump admin, the the last episode we did was like what to expect the next four years.
(03:04) Um, and I think the crux of that conversation revolved around sort of financial stable coin implementation. And I think it's pretty clear that that was a very strong priority this administration. They passed the Genius Act rather quickly. Obviously, we're talking about the PayPal Palunteer Mafia getting more ingrained in the surveillance state here. That seems to be happening.
(03:29) Um, and I think one thing we highlighted was with the immigration policy, watch out for the border. digital IDs are probably um the borders where they're gonna basically Trojan horse digital IDs in. And so yeah, it I mean that's still possible. I think that's definitely what's happening in the UK though.
(03:50) So Kier Starmer is pushing through digital ID to stop illegal immigration, which um you know, previously the Labor Party in the UK was pushing it. You know, this is we're going to stop hate speech and stop online bullying. Um, but it seems like in the US they're actually instead of sneaking it through border stuff and on on those same, you know, um, justifications that the UK government is using, it looks like it's going to slide in with the Genius Act.
(04:14) Um, considering what they've, uh, some of the stuff they've put out asking for comment on uh, after its passage, sort of framing digital ID is an essential pillar to the implementation of um, of the Genius Act. So, so somebody somebody who uh prized himself on being on the cutting edge of all this, I was unaware that digital ID was tied into this. I I assume some KYC AML stuff, but didn't realize.
(04:38) Yeah, it's not it's not directly like there's nothing in the Genius Act specifically talking about digital ID. There's obviously a lot about know your customer and bank secrecy act stuff and and what have you, but I think the the bigger well well so as it relates to the Genius Act specifically, the Treasury did open up, you know, asking for comments and within that, you know, proposition asking for for public comment.
(05:04) they did bring up digital ID and um you know I think people like Lola Leites at the Rage has been covering a lot of the the Genius Act implications for like you know basically using articles of the Patriot Act to push towards a lot of this stuff which is obviously not good but I think what's actually kind of interesting is not so much about the US yet although I think that's it's pretty inevitable that that will come at some point but we're actually seeing the downstream effects of the stable coin legislation passing in the US, other places in the world now, like in the UK, they're limiting how many dollar stable coins or attempting to limit how many dollar
(05:38) stable coins a UK citizen can hold. Um and then we're seeing, you know, mass debanking in Vietnam. You know, I think it was something like 70 something million bank accounts um were closed. Um you know, basically saying, you know, we'll we'll rebank you if you agree to this biometric stuff and uh you know, basically implemented digital ID.
(06:07) Um, and I think the reason for that is, you know, when there's a proliferation of US dollar stable coins across the world and, you know, now there's even avenues for yield to be given to those stable coins, which we're going to see right at some point. Um, you know, why would any foreign national hold anything other than, you know, dollars? Hopefully, you know, Bitcoin if if if you're into that.
(06:31) Um, but why would you hold a local currency when you can hold dollars, get yield from it, and all you need to do to get to it is have, you know, a smartphone. So, I think countries around the world, the euro, you know, the ECB is now putting out comments being like, we're screwed if we let the dollar stable coins take over cuz why would you want to stay in the euro um when you can get dollars with yield? Um so we're going to actually see I think the rest of the world first implement uh a lot of restrictions on people um via digital ID um and you know choking these on-ramps to stable coins because people are going to massively you know flight you know just incredible
(07:09) capital flight from the local currencies you know and they want to keep that money in their country otherwise you know they're [ __ ] They don't want you putting their their money in US debt or, you know, in tethers, you know, they want to keep you in in your local currency.
(07:26) So, we're already starting to see the downstream effects n internationally from the Genius Act as it relates to like let's prevent capital flight cuz if all the country if all the money leaves the country, you know, we're kind of screwed. So, it's it remains to be seen how they'll do it in the US, what carrot they'll dangle, whether it's some UBI or some, you know, yield thing or something that gets American citizens to comply um with this stuff.
(07:52) But we're we're already starting to see it as like a defensive maneuver uh from from foreign nations to like prevent capital flight via stable coins, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, the Vietnam story, I wrote about it last week, it's pretty astonishing. I I believe it was like 84 million bank accounts were closed and it's typical government and and maybe it makes sense to a certain extent, but I think it's certainly an overreach.
(08:16) They were like, "Hey, there's a bunch of people spinning up drop shipping businesses here and they're sort of laundering money from other countries in Southeast Asia and fraudulently spinning up these bank accounts." And I think the population of Vietnam is less than a 100red billion. So obviously there's multiple bank accounts, but something that we've been talking about for quite some time is this push towards biometric verification and that was sort of what they Trojan horse in. It's like, hey, we need to stop this fraud. We need to stop this moneyaundering. So we need a face scan or a fingerprint if you want to have an
(08:44) account. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think you're I mean the the pace of that globally, pushing that through globally has really picked up, especially, you know, the EU uh announced last year that they were going to have this year basically be where they roll it all through for foreign travelers coming into the E uh the EU.
(09:03) I think the State Department just issued something being like, Americans, prepare to scan your face when you go to Europe. So, you know, uh they pretty much done that. But this was an agreed upon uh thing with Interpole uh that to move that way and the US was like agreed to do that.
(09:23) So it just is a matter of time really until they implement it unless you know there's some uh directive from the administration distancing themselves from that that interpole policy. But I haven't seen anything of that um at this point. So, and already I mean I haven't traveled to the US since 2023, but I mean even then it was kind of you know face scanny and uh they wanted you to you know do an even more like intense biometric thing if you wanted to skip the line with that private company clear. Yeah, those guys.
(09:55) Um, and then there's the the TSA itself has sort of like that that fast fast fast lane they offer if you like pre-check and apparently they're going to put the deeper scan in with pre-check at some point. And you know, yeah, one of the last times I was flying I was like, you know, I had like an hour, you know, I don't like to get to airports early, you know, cuz [ __ ] that.
(10:14) And I I had like an hour to get to my flight and it was international flight. And, you know, this lady ran up and was like, "You're going to miss your flight. You're going to miss it. the security line is too long. Come with me and I'll sign you up for the clear thing and we'll do the thing and and you'll make your flight.
(10:32) Like you can't miss your flight, you know? And I was like, I'd rather miss my flight than go do that [ __ ] Uh and then I made it with like 45 minutes. Like it wasn't even close, but like you know that trying to sigh out. Yeah. That like immediate like you're going to you're going to miss you're going to miss like a big thing. You're doomed. Scan your face and you won't be doomed. No, I'll take the doom. It's fine.
(10:47) I'll catch a later flight. It is funny watching how easily conditioned people are cuz even still in the United States I fly quite frequently within the states and I don't have pre-check. People think I'm crazy for that. I'm like I just don't have it.
(11:05) And you go through the regular line and they have the face scanners pretty much nowadays at every sort of TSA checkpoint for regular um for regular boarding lines. And most people don't read the sign right before it that says you can opt out of this. And I I can say with confidence in the last 20 times I've flown over the last 2 years, I'm the only one that I've observed that is saying, "I'm going to opt out of this." Like, "You don't have to scan your face.
(11:28) " And even if it doesn't matter, there's cameras all throughout the airport and they're definitely scanning your face. Sure. No matter what, it's like, I want to send the message like, "I do not like this at all. I'm going to consciously opt out of it." Yeah. You you can't comply to this stuff.
(11:47) Like I I I I like totally and I say this, you know, people always [ __ ] on me talking [ __ ] on stable coins and it's like like I empathize and and sympathize with people that want to use them. I totally get it and I and I understand that. But I think like you know we have such few uh you know lines in the sand to draw anymore.
(12:04) And it's like we need to not comply as much as possible that not in a way that you know I'm I'm not suggesting anybody really [ __ ] their lives up or their kids' lives or whatever. Obviously, it's it's it's a personal decision, but like yeah, I think if we normalize pushing back these things because it becomes super normalized that we get our our whole body scanned and it's just like we we really shouldn't have to do that and digital ID really won't work unless everybody complies and you know unfortunately they're going to try to
(12:33) figure out some way to manufacture consent for the compliance you know and they're damn good at that unfortunately. That's just what I was going to get to. Like we are in an environment where it seems like manufactured consent is being drumed up with speech laws not only in the UK, but they're coming here in the United States.
(12:51) The newsletter I wrote last night, I'm not sure if you've seen, uh, I believe it's SP277 out of California that just passed the Senate. They're basically going to bring hate speech laws and they're focusing on the social media platforms with more than hund00 million in gross revenue annually first.
(13:10) But it's basically the state of California saying if uh if you say something that we deem is hate speech, we will find uh the social media platforms. And that's just a sort of light nudging towards forcing the social media platforms to to curb speech. Um, so we're seeing that obviously with the aftermath of Charlie Kirk, uh, things are very divisive right now. The the right is certainly jinned up. The left is jinned up as well.
(13:36) Um, and I made a conscious effort. Um, two weeks out, uh, the first few days, I definitely was reacting to it a little emotional, but now, um, after some conversations with people, looking at how the story has sort of developed since then, um, with the narrative that the government's putting out there, what's happening, I'm like, there's something here.
(13:54) It seems like there's some attempt to divide and conquer here. And so, I'm trying to step back from the culture wars and just focus on on Bitcoin and privacy right now. Yeah, definitely. Good for you. Well, you know, a lot of these um you know, big events and a lot of times they capitalize on real tragedies, but the national security state takes advantage of these types of things pretty consistency consistently to put for greater control, right? And so, um you know, you brought up hate speech laws in California, presumably coming from the left, there's been a lot of uh questionable rhetoric from the right after the Kirk assassination, uh talking
(14:31) about hate speech as well. Um and so ultimately, you know, where does that take us? Um to a place where there's a lot more censorship than people would want. Uh in, you know, censorship was a big political issue um last election cycle. Um you know, really big for certain uh you know, demographics.
(14:52) And so to have sort of the idea that hate speech is going to be potentially embraced by by both sides, um I definitely don't see that as um as a good thing. And also, you know, some of the stuff that has come out in the in the aftermath of this assassination has been this um what I would call a renewed push to um upstart the war on domestic terror, which people have to keep in mind. Um you know, there's a long history to that.
(15:17) And so, a lot of times when people get really emotionally sucked in um to things, they kind of are focusing very much on like the present and in the recent. Uh whereas you know the domestic terror infrastructure is something that's been steadily developed by every administration ever since 911.
(15:34) Um because remember in the post 911 environment that's how we got the Department of Homeland Security. And right before 911 uh they introduced legislation to basically make DHS but under a different name. And there wasn't a lot of support for it until conveniently after 911 when a lot of legislation that was liberty curbing was pushed through.
(15:51) you know, the Patriot Act being the most wellknown, but also the creation of DHS and numerous other laws. Um, and ultimately a lot of the wear war on terror infrastructure was always meant to be used domestically at some point, which is why you have a lot of those same things launching um, you know, at the same time in the early 2000s.
(16:10) And so, you know, every administration since then, um, from Bush to Obama and then Trump the first time around and Biden, uh, they have all expanded the domestic terror infrastructure and apparatus. And if you actually look at the definition of how the government defines domestic terrorism, um, which is actually put out by the Biden administration, but it's been supported.
(16:35) I haven't seen them change to the best of my knowledge the definition since Trump came in. But it it includes people really on both sides of the divide. People that are against perceived government overreach, for example, can be defined as domestic terrorists. Um and then people who are against all forms of capitalism, for example, and that was Biden that put that out.
(16:54) Uh but that could include potentially you're against stakeholder capitalism of the World Economic Forum, for example. um and some of the um and and it's a pretty wide uh wide-reaching thing um unfortunately and you know governments tend to use kind of these um vague definitions and use them to their advantage whenever they want, right? So they're kind of they give themselves a lot of wiggle room so they can label whoever they want a domestic terrorist.
(17:21) Um, and so, you know, Antifa has now been labeled a domestic terror organization. And I would look at them as something, you know, sort of like pro most likely very Fed infiltrated in the same way that like Patriot Front and like even the Proud Boys had feds or like informants like at the very top of the of the structure and things like that.
(17:45) You know, they tend to this is how the National Security State operates when it wants to justify uh bigger budgets, more control, and a removal of our liberties. And this has been going on since the 1980s with Operation Gladadio. Um when they developed the strategy of tension, they were uh the CIA and intelligence agencies basically were funding terrorism against civilians in Europe.
(18:05) And then they were blamed on um on left-leaning groups and they specifically were going after civilians and it was a CIA plan really to prevent um regimes that they deemed as aligned with the Soviets potentially, but not even actually. just like left-wing parties, they wanted to push uh Europe politically in a particular direction or towards particular candidates.
(18:23) They, you know, were financing terrorism and they were doing that with like the mob in the Vatican. I mean, it was a very but I mean it's a documented thing. So, you know, call me a con conspiracy person all you want, which of course people like to do.
(18:42) Um but it I mean it's something that um you know intelligence agencies have been doing and so that uh you know if they want to institute uh draconian control measures digital control measures um over the United States or so western society or global society at large um they're probably you know they tend to go fall back on these same patterns and tactics that they've used time and again decade over decade.
(19:03) And so what I worry about is um a push for that happening uh again now that but I mean flipping sides, right? So you could argue that Biden tried to do it to an extent, but um I think really it's whatever parties in power, they push for continued expansion of this apparatus. Um and they they use it they they use whichever group is convenient to pander to their base to justify us um giving up liberty for perceived security right which is also part of the operation gladadio strategy of tension. I mean that's exactly uh what the goal of it was was to get people to give up their
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(21:35) I think people have already forgotten about the church shooting in Minneapolis. Um, we had the Irana stabbing in in North Carolina and obviously Charlie Kirk this morning. I'm not sure if you guys saw, but somebody with the sniper shot people at the Dallas ICE facility. So, it seems like this accelerating political violence is definitely going to be used as a frame to to push and take civil liberties.
(21:59) And I think one thing that people forgot, Mark, I think I saw you comment on a tweet I put out about this, but right after the Minneapolis shooting, you had some XIDF guy on Fox Business News saying that they're going to deploy Gideon, his AI precious surveillance tech. Yeah. Yeah. There's already a massage CIA. Uh I would argue it's a front. It's a company called Gabriel that sells like preventative tech to schools and churches to prevent shootings before they happen. Um if you're interested in reading about them, you can search for Gabriel and Unlimited Hangout. Um but
(22:31) there's been efforts to sort of build up um position particular companies uh for this what I would call pre-rime infrastructure. Um and they uh in 2019 specifically, they really started selling themselves as preventing mass shootings before they happen. One of these companies was uh Carbine 911, now known as Carbine, which people may um remember was financed heavily by Jeffrey Epstein and Leslie Wexner and Ahud Barack used to be the chairman.
(23:02) Um and a lot of you know uh Israeli intelligence people including like the commander of unit 8200 were on the board. um an Epstein associate named Nicole Youngerman was on the board and then they kind of the Epstein association came out and they tried to distance themselves yada yada yada but they were selling themselves uh to take over 911 call systems throughout the US and said and basically sold themselves in 2019 that we can stop mass shootings before they happen or respond increase response time and and all of these things and now they've slowly taken over the 911 call
(23:33) systems of a litany of counties across the United States but after the EP stuff came out, they tried to rebrand as more American, so they only left one, you know, exraeli intelligence guy that co-founded it. Um, you know, there and uh they put like Michael Cherto on the board of adviserss who was former DHS and they put um one of Trump's previous heads of DHS, Chris Christian Nielsen, I think her name was.
(24:01) Um, and then an ex FBI guy or something um to try and I guess make it look more American, but it's it's really the same. um the same type of program and also Peter Teal was a big investor in that and now uh recently published emails from Epstein world that have come out in the first half of this year's show um Ahood Barack and Epstein talking about meeting with Peter Teal specifically about uh about Carbine and you know that's relevant because of you know Teal and Palunteer Palunteer being specifically pre-rime focused and what's important too is you know back at the end of 2019 when all this was going on uh Trump was still was
(24:38) in office the first time and all of these um you know mass shootings were happening and there was an outcry about it like the El Paso Walmart shooting uh for example and a few other things uh that took place in a relatively short period of time and what's interesting about that is before those shootings happened not long before uh William Bar who was attorney general uh gave this speech where he basically was like um uh we need to remove encryption we have to have a federal backdoor into everything encrypted, all encrypted software. And we'll eventually get that because what he called a galvanizing event uh would
(25:14) soon happen that would help reduce Americans resistance to that policy, right? And then all of these shootings happen and um and then um in that same and and then not long after that, William Bar uh makes pre-rime an official policy of the Department of Justice. So he set up the infrastructure to legalize pre-rime at that time.
(25:39) um in October 2019 and so it's been being built on ever since but they haven't really necessarily made it deployed it massively right but they've set up the legal infrastructure to legalize it and they created a program under which the DOJ has made a few arrests that's called deep it's an acronym I forget exactly what it stands for but they've made a few arrests where they've arrested people preemptively for social media posts and then in that same period of time also uh Trump came out as and his touted response to these mass shootings was to have social media sites uh deploy
(26:12) um some sort of software program that would uh detect shooters before they can act. Right? So, continuing to build on this pre-rime thing and at the time um he was being pitched and the biggest lobbyists in the administration for it was Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump um to create this new agency, a health DARPA or a HARPA.
(26:37) uh they called it and the first program of it that that the pilot program of it was called safe homes which is again another um very long acronym for something that I don't remember sorry but basically the idea of it was to have AI scour American social media posts in mass um and then use an algorithm to determine uh which posts uh show users exhibiting early neurosych psychiatric warning signs and that if they were uh you know flagged.
(27:08) They could be triaged to a variety of of solutions like uh court-ordered physicians um or uh psychiatrists, right? Or like potentially house arrest uh just for having social media posts that the AI has determined is bad. Um it's it's very messed up. So, you know, ultimately they didn't make HARPA, but Biden made HARPA. It's called ARPAH.
(27:30) And the same architects of the AARPA that was being pitched under Trump ended up being the same architects of Biden's ARPA, but ARPA was sold as a cancer moonshot. We're gonna cure cancer with ARPA. Um, but I mean ARPA is absolutely still around and still has these kinds of of uh this kind of focus in addition to its health focus, right? So, um, unfortunately, you know, the Trump administration, or at least Trump as a president has that precedent from his previous administration of responding to concerns about guns by being like, we should apply pre-rime to American social media posts and determine who might be a
(28:09) bad actor before they commit any crime. Um, and from the civil liberty perspective, this is terrible. And an even greater warning sign is the increasing involvement which you brought brought up earlier Marty of Palunteer in this administration because Palunteer is spec was specifically really created to be a pre-rime entity.
(28:35) It is a successor to this uh post 911 program that was housed in DARPA called total information awareness. Um and it's it's you know been Palunteer since then has been piloting predictive policing um you know throughout the country. I think they first started doing that in the 2014 2015 window. Um and uh you know they they because of their um uh connections with all of you know pretty much every US intelligence agency and how much data they hover up and hold on every American.
(29:08) having Palunteer, you know, be involved in in the government so extensively and also now in like your taxes, like their recent partnership with like the IRS and, you know, with mortgages and like increasingly getting involved with finances and also um you know, running a lot of major Wall Street banks. Um, you know, it it's it could potentially get very very complicated.
(29:28) Um and so we're sort of at this stage where a lot of this infrastructure is starting to come together and in order to get people uh to relinquish civil liberties enough to have this kind of predictive policing infrastructure be the norm uh something really big has to happen people have to get really angry and more importantly people have to get really insecure and fearful right um and so you know I worry that this is sort of a uh you know, an important moment, an inflection point where they're going to try and start pushing us in that direction. A turning point. I was going to say that, but I didn't want to. But I mean, well, you know, I
(30:09) mean, you know, Trump and uh Elon Musk and some of these other people's explicitly made that, you know, say signaling in their statements around the Charlie Kirk memorial, for example, that this is a turning point and all of that. Um, but we don't want it to be a turning point where it leads us to a dark um, end point, right? Well, it's interesting, right? One of the first reactions to the, you know, the the brutal assassination was, you know, the putting pressure on Discord, on Steam, on Signal, on Signal, on uh, I think even Twitter. I think a bunch of the CEOs for these
(30:46) companies are are going to be called to sort of testify about what they can do to sort of prevent things like this. And a lot of the um you know public discourse about the shooting has been about you know the grooming that takes place on platforms like Discord and and uh you know how can the feds come in and and clean it up with predictive policing with AI algorithms with some sort of AI moderation as if feds have never groomed a mass shooter before or anything like that but um let's not get you demonetized but but the um but it's
(31:19) whenever I, you know, obviously it's a difficult thing to talk about because it's we're so close to it. Uh, no one really has any idea what's going on. We're all being fed information from sources we generally don't trust anyway. So, I I don't necessarily trust the FBI right now, not to get put on the list. But, you know, I don't know.
(31:37) I have no idea what happened. It's it's [ __ ] up. It's sad. But, the reaction is something I can absolutely in the discourse is absolutely something I can comment on. And immediately it went to, you know, these apps, these communication platforms which are very important for us to be able to organize under, you know, and it's it's dangerous.
(32:02) I think it's very scary to me that you know the uh you know, a few of the platforms left where people can kind of have a somewhat of a public square. You know, they're actually a centralized choke point just like that California bill you brought up. It's like they're not attacking the people writing the stuff on the on on Twitter or YouTube, you know, they're attacking the centralized platformers and they can put pressure on them.
(32:26) I'm going to find you $100 million if someone says, you know, something something something. They're not going to let that happen because it will hurt their bottom line. And so the incentive is very easy to push uh on these private companies. Again, they're private companies. You know, they're not necessarily constitutionally protected.
(32:42) And so I think unfortunately the reaction that we're going to see from a lot of this and I've already started to see it is you know a further uh you know erosion of the little public square we have left which is which is not a lot and you mentioned it earlier you know like the left is jinned up the right is jinned up and like they [ __ ] should be everybody should be jinned up right now. Um, but unfortunately it seems like we're jinned up at each other.
(33:05) And uh, well, that's the goal, right? You know, I would argue, uh, who are some domestic terrorists that should be gone after? I don't know. What about Dick Cheney? What about Leslie Wexner who funded Jeffrey? Why can't we investigate them with all of the resources of of DHS and uh, you know, the Palunteer and the the NSA and whatever? like why can't we go after people like people like that, you know? Uh but instead it's going to be pointed at at regular people. Um and what I am concerned about too specifically with
(33:38) like the Antifa branding is that they'll try and conflate anyone who criticizes fascism in general as being somehow affiliated with Antifa. And like there was a zero hedge story that I read uh talking about the the Antifa labeling that basically was conflating like people who are anti-fascist but not necessarily associated with the group Antifa as being part of it.
(34:02) Um and that's complicated because maybe you're someone like me and you don't like fascism or communism, right? You know, fancy. Um and do we you know I if there's an issue where it becomes very apparent or a policy is being put forth that would very much I don't know uh bring to fruition the Mussolini style of fascism of corporatism you know a fusion of uh corporate corp you know of corporation and state uh and you want to criticize that will you get labeled as anti-fascist you know as part of this these organizations and people might think that's kind of far off but I Think about
(34:39) how the original war of domest war of terror went, right? Where regular people in the US that happened to be Muslim uh were targeted and even though they had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, right? And now you have the former head of al-Qaeda being given a diplomatic welcome in New York like uh you know, well that's I want David Petraeus is like, "How you holding up?" Yeah. Former head of al-Qaeda.
(35:02) But there's this is insane to me. I I had this um teed up to share because I think it it highlights one thing like the 911 was an inside job. Most definitely. Whoa. Yeah. So, sorry Marty. Well, I think Yeah. I mean, I think the 9/11 narrative that we've been fed is completely wrong. What happened to building 7? Nobody wants to talk about building.
(35:26) Well, I mean, uh you Americans were told we have to give up all of our freedoms because we have to destroy the people who did this. This is one of the guys that did that. Yeah. And that's that's the point that's why I want to pull it up is like their their narrative when it's convenient to push through the Patriot Act and all these civil liberties infringing directives from the government. Uh they'll they'll run with the narrative. But here we are 24 years later.
(35:50) Nobody really cares about al-Qaeda anymore. It's like, hey, well that guy Al Jaloney or Al Galani who's in charge of Syria now, the US helped put him there. It was Obama and Hillary in the Obama administration. It's been aided by every administration since then until Assad was overthrown. Um, and they're literal terrorists. And here here we are now.
(36:15) He's in a suit, so it's fine. Um, and now he's shaking hands with another terrorist named General David Petraeus that used to be head of the CIA. I mean, it's hate speech. I better be careful. It's almost so far in your face, too. And like building on it's almost like all right command and control.
(36:34) We had the al-Qaeda war against terrorism narrative for 20 years forever war that sort of pittered out. It's like okay now we're going to pivot to this domestic terrorism framing to try and divide people and bringing even more surveillance technology to the country and oh by the way as soon as we start doing that we're going to basically tie a knot in the al-Qaeda thing. We're friends now. And it's yeah completely weird.
(36:59) Can you imagine having lost a family member in 9/11 or having cancer because you were a first uh responder to 9/11 and watching this happen in New York too? Like it it right. It was at the UN, right? Yeah. And like uh they they want to let anyone from from Palestine come represent Palestine and No, not Hamas like the PA, you know, or like someone any any Palestinian diplomat, including the ones that have no affiliation with Hamas at all.
(37:24) They were all blocked uh from coming to represent Palestine. But yeah, let's let the al-Qaeda guy come in. That's that's fine. It's very weird. It's very weird. And that's what I think. Well, I mean, it just means they're full of [ __ ] Yeah. Well, and that that's what I wanted to bring up.
(37:41) I mean, obviously years ago, we're talking about agenda 2030 as put forth by the World Economic Forum, but if you and I think there's a lot of people under the impression like, okay, we avoided that. We're not doing the great reset. But I think it's just branded in a different Well, banks in charge.
(38:00) You said that when we came on, I don't know, 20 2023 or I guess early 2024 maybe. Yeah. Yeah. We wrote this piece called tokenized inc and we kind of phrased it as like we called it phase shift dialectics and it's like all of a sudden, you know, Malays at at Davos and like everybody's cheering. Yeah. They were like Malay obliterated Davos and the Davos elites that were interviewed were like we loved it.
(38:18) He's spank us harder, Daddy Malay. You know, I mean, that doesn't make any sense if that Okay. It It doesn't happen that quickly. The switch Yeah. doesn't go like that. Also, by the way, he did not get rid of the central bank and now we're going to bail them out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of issues there. But yeah, I mean, like, think, you know, he's like Mr.
(38:38) ESG basically, and then he pivots, becomes a Bitcoin maxi, and uh, you know, starts leaning into a lot of this, you know, kind of like freedom rhetoric or whatever. Now, now he's running the West. is running the W and uh I I was thinking we we watched this really interesting um Corbit report documentary about Black Rockck and talking about Aladdin which was you know the um this this computer system built um you know by an Israeli with with the Black Rockck guys that basically is like the riskmanagement tool system for like the whole financial
(39:10) system. It's pretty incredible. It's brought up in Adam Curtis's hyperormalization. Aladdin is a very interesting um you know data farm in I believe in se in the Washington area and um you know it's it's really interesting I it connected a dot for me that I had never really connected before about how you know why are they pushing these ESG things.
(39:36) Um, and and the way that I I I kind of understood it in in the context of this was, you know, because Aladdin is actually this financial instrument that helps put uh, you know, does risk analysis for all of these big index funds and all these big traders and VC firms that are, you know, sloshing around, you know, the biggest most liquid market in the world in the US dollar like derivatives and futures and funds, indexes. And, um, you know, ESG is actually really this way.
(40:02) if they create an ESG score, this like social credit system, and they say, you know, you know, if you're using too much of your own power or, you know, you you have this this infrastructure that is really bad for the environment, but you're actually like an independent, you know, company that can kind of survive on its own because you have the infrastructure you need to survive.
(40:25) You're not dependent on, you know, maybe less um, you know, resilient, uh, you know, green energy or whatever. um you know they they can actually literally pick and choose which companies survive uh via this you know algorithmic financial market and they can say if you don't have a high enough ESG score then we're not going to put you in these indexes we're not going to tell people to buy your funds and you get a low score in Aladdin which runs [ __ ] everything and so in reality they're actually picking and choosing companies that have a less chance of being
(40:58) independent and pushing back from you whatever sort of totalitarianism market, you know, we agenda structure stuff that we're starting to see be implemented under a right rhetoric. So, these companies that are actually able to get through uh have a high enough ESG score, play by DaddyFin's rules, they're actually going to be a lot less independent.
(41:23) Um, so they are able to financialize companies that don't have as much independence and therefore can't really push back against the state which has you know kind of gone into these you know private wells everywhere and Aladdin is just like this humongous thing that no one ever talks about and it has such huge effects um for like how they're going to implement this stuff and I think it's really not that surprising unfortunately that you know Frink is now you know co-chair of the forum And he's also the guy who has more control over anybody else via his firm
(41:54) and via this analytics, you know, empire to pick and choose winners of of the future economy. So, it's like they're using the guise of, you know, free market uh, you know, libertarianism to actually enact and actualize all of the ESG [ __ ] all the we stuff, all the [ __ ] that is really scary that we we end up having these sort of um companies that are relying on, you know, state power companies and state data centers and all this stuff and they really don't have any ability to push back.
(42:27) Then those companies are the ones that get chokepointed by free speech. They're the ones that are running YouTube, Facebook, you know, all these companies that choose to they want to be winners. So, they they play ball and now they have no grounds to stand uh you know, when when things get crunched down.
(42:45) And we're seeing that now the the crunch is really happening from the state and there's a slow erosion of civil liberties via financial incentives. And you know, that's something that, you know, Bitcoiners and and freedom based people have talked about for so long. this erosion of constitutional rights will be done through financial incentives.
(43:04) Well, how do they actually do it? Now, they have all these mechanisms to really pick and choose and make sure only companies that have no chance of pushing back are the ones that get, you know, all the all the money and the ones that get all the the resources from a financialization standpoint.
(43:21) And nowadays, it's all about financialization. I mean, there's really like companies nowadays, it doesn't doesn't even [ __ ] matter how much money you make. It's it's like what your stock price is and you know if you're included in the S&P 500 or not, if you're in such and such index fund or not, if the traders like you, if there's a meme, if someone some influencer is shilling your stock, I mean, it's we've gone into such this we financialized finance in such a ludicrous way that now it's really all algorithmic driven. Um, and who controls the algorithms? There's not that many people. It's a really
(43:52) small group of people. It's the Karps, it's the Teals. Um, and now they're all sitting on top of the biggest think tanks and basically in the White House. Um, so you know, now we're we're we're kind of going to see the fruits of that of that work. And and hopefully we don't I think I started this rant talking about left and right being jimmyied up against each other and not against the guys shaking the jar. And it's like we know we know what they're going to do. We we know what they've built. We they
(44:21) they've told us their policies that they want to implement. you know, it was just Claus Schwab and his [ __ ] robe and he told us what he wanted to do and we just sort of forgot because we just assumed he's gone now. But it's like, no, they're going to implement all these things. It's going to be digital ID. It's going to be carbon credit scores.
(44:40) It's going to be erosion of free speech and now they can actually do it. They are doing it and they're going to keep using legitimate crisises or manufactured ones to keep slowly eroding the shore. And it's also a big part of the web's push, right, was the fourth industrial revolution, which is this push into transhumanism. And the so-called libertarian elites behind people like JD Vance and that have been really involved with the Trump administration this cycle are very overtly transhumanist and think that the only way uh forward is to basically merge with machines, which you know in
(45:13) practice is not uh really that different. And um you know I uh really wish that more people that actually cared about liberty and civil liberties and freedom and individual sovereignty would actually pay attention to the u political philosophies of people like Peter Teal and Curtis Yarvin. Uh Nick Land who was a you know one of the main influences on Mark Andre's technooptimist uh manifesto. Um because they're not libertarian.
(45:46) I mean, it's bonkers to me that people I mean, I guess they self-define as that, but I think it's in the same I mean, it's a wolf and sheep's clothing for for them to self-define like that. And I think people haven't really looked um very closely at what these people want because, you know, in the case of someone like like Jarvin, who's very close with Peter Teal um and in has influenced tremendously his political philosophy.
(46:08) I mean basically um you know and this is kind of common with how uh a lot of the stuff we've been talking about recently uh works. You know they'll accurately talk about how the system sucks and people are like yeah the system does suck you know um but then they get around to their solutions and then you know when people like agree with your diagnosis of the problem they'll be like more uh inclined to get on board with your solutions.
(46:36) So, you know, with with Curtis Yarvin, it's basically about creating turning the US into a corporate monopoly. So, it's about deconstructing the existing state in the cathedral and all of that. And then once sufficiently deconstructed, you know, sufficiently basically completely privatize the state, but in doing so, you're not going to limit or eliminate the authoritarian powers of the state. You will keep them.
(47:01) Um, and then you'll basically have a CEO of that Savv Corp, sovereign corporation or whatever, or a Gov Corp, a government corporation, uh, run everything as a dictator. Yeah, I don't think that sounds very liberty maximizing to me. And there's a quote from Yarvin, uh, that is very I mean, honestly, it's something Claus Schwab could have said.
(47:25) Uh, I'll read it to you, Marty, because I wanted to make sure that I had it uh verbatim right, so no one can be like he never said that. No, he absolutely did. Um, this is his opinion on what should be done with uh undesirable elements of society or adults who are not productive members of society. He said, quote, "Our goal in short is a humane alternative to genocide. That is the ideal solution achiev
(47:49) es the same result as mass murder, i.e." in parenthesis uh the removal of undesirable elements from society in parenthesis but without any of the moral stigma. The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards meaning people either metaphorically or literally but to virtualize them. A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement waxed like a bee larvae into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies.
(48:20) This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual reality interface that allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world. Live in the pod, live in the multiverse. Uh, yeah. Who decides if you're undesirable, the corporate monarch, I've met Curtis in person.
(48:45) I actually went to uh two two of the four-part lecture series of Peter Teal's Antichrist series in Austin. Yeah. I got Oh [ __ ] What was it like? You got invited. Yeah. And uh uh by a friend. They did it at UATX. And it was actually interesting. And I think uh the uh I think people like the way he he thinks the antichrist is going to be some like 33year-old and something we should look out for. And the way he framed it 33y old he said interesting.
(49:08) the antichrist has to be around the same age as Jesus is his thesis. And uh it was uh very interesting. I've met Curtis in person, too. And I think he's got a very hoppian view. You describe as like a corporate monopoly dictatorship.
(49:25) He would describe as like a we need to get back to monarchy, which I don't think I agree with. I think we need more. I think we need more. But I mean, that's not libertarian. You see what I'm saying? Like a monarchy isn't libertarian. It isn't liberty maximizing. uh it does not reduce or remove the authorit authoritarian power of the state. Uh there would still be under a monarchy there's still like tariffs and regulations and all of these things that libertarians don't like.
(49:50) I don't see how it's libertarian. Yeah. No, I mean the I think the argument I'm not going to speak for him, but I think the gist of what I understand, not saying I completely agree with like I don't think it's pragmatic in the sense that it could actually be implemented, but I think his view would be is that monarchs if they're actually um doing their job right and they're incentivized to do their job right because the people will kill them if they don't.
(50:14) And so they're like I'm just giving the sort of neo-reactionist monarchian. Yeah. But at the same time, if you do that in today's world, you know, and someone like Peter Teal has Palunteer around, uh, no one gets to kill the monarch when he does a bad job. Yeah. No, I I completely agree. It's not pragmatic for today's day and age. Like I think we get back to like Holy Roman Empire levels of distribution.
(50:45) Like if you go back to the Holy Roman Empire and you have like very very small city states, I think that is what was wasn't it still kind of feudalist though? It was it was I'm talking about from like a state structure wide like I'm talking get more distributed more decentralized like here in the United States but without the feudalism, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
(51:03) Well, to me, it's interesting the way that technology plays a role in the like decentralization and then recentralization and then like the state is always kind of fluctuating like that. And like I mean it's an analogy that's been made a bunch of times, but like the idea of like the gunpowder revolution being a decentralizing thing at first, you know, cuz it's like you want to go kill the monarch, well now I got a [ __ ] musket and I can go in there and and shoot you or whatever.
(51:30) It like decentralized the monopoly on violence, but then they got really good at making gunpowder and then you know F-16s and whatever uh and you know drones and surveillance technology and all these things and then that like monopoly was reinstated by the furthering of that technology.
(51:50) So while it was something that initially decentralized power and did lead to like uprisings of you know you know people in the feudal system being able to you know get out of it because they could go blam blam uh good luck reloading your musket fast enough you know as one monarch to kill 50 peasants or whatever like good luck but then as the technology grew on it became recentralizing and I think we're seeing that with communication tech and we're seeing that with um you know financial tech because initially all these things did distribute power. Like the internet in the '9s was [ __ ] awesome. The
(52:23) internet in the early 2000s was [ __ ] amazing. It was cool. There was tons of crazy [ __ ] happening. It was really creative. There was like, you know, I was like a big gamer in that time and like playing Counterstrike and user map settings and mods and [ __ ] Starcraft and, you know, downloading ROMs and things. Third Rush. Yeah, exactly.
(52:47) like it there was there was there was vernacular being made there was connections being made there was a really cool thing and I think I said this actually on the show before but it's like we built the internet it was the people it was very yes it was a DARPA project but then it spread out and it you know all the the communication early on in the internet the cool content was like made by us it was made by like cool people online and that was very cool and now we're seeing it like reentralize and now it's like the internet to like 6 billion people in the world like is Facebook and like that's
(53:16) not the [ __ ] internet. Like that sucks. Going back to AOL. Yeah, exactly. Like we've gone back to the AOL homepage u but without the like disturbing chat rooms and interesting [ __ ] going on, you know? Now it's just like the most like sanitized, you know, uh, corpo approved content. And now we're seeing, yeah, communication tech has kind of recentralized.
(53:41) And I think kind of unfortunately like I don't know how it's all going to play out, but I think we're kind of seeing that with financial tech too where like a lot of the stuff that was going on at the beginning of the sort of digital financial revolution like was pretty uh revolutionary and like it was amazing that you could generate coins meaningfully with like a CPU and be able to, you know, transact, you know, with like very little bandwidth, very little storage space uh and very little processing power and and being able to have like a Swiss bank on your you know Dell or whatever. Now it's
(54:16) like kind of recentralizing and and a lot of the peer-to-peer stuff um that was you know so cool about the promise of the early revolution is like everyone's just going to trusted custodians. Like I'm not saying everybody I'm not saying I'm not I'm not a doomer about it. But I think there are people doing cool stuff.
(54:34) But my fear is that we've seen a cycle of technology dissolving power and then recentizing it to an even smaller. You know, the US empire is the biggest monopoly of violence in the world. Yes, the gunpowder revolution decentralized power from feudal lords to the peasants, but now it's recentized to, you know, F-16s, B-52s, B2s, whatever. You no one's [ __ ] with that. Now we have drone tech and all this stuff.
(55:01) it's going to just even further centralize where good luck uh you know when we have AI drones going around taking out um you know people before they do something bad because they've they've profiled them successfully like good luck fighting back against that power. We've seen this time and time again this you know devolving decentralization recentralization um and I think we're seeing it with communication tech. I think we're already kind of there.
(55:29) The internet is way less free than it used to be. Um, and I I'm I'm fearful of that happening with financial tech because I think the way you dictate human behavior is with financial incentives. Like that's how you do it. And so if they want to really dictate human behavior, they've got the content stuff kind of down.
(55:46) They're doing pretty good with that. But now you affect monetization, you affect their bank accounts, you affect income streams, you inflate the [ __ ] out of the dollar, which is obviously happening and about to happen. You get everybody on the globe onboarded onto the dollar with stable coins.
(56:04) Then you inflate the [ __ ] out of the dollar and then it's like, "Okay, well, you have your wallet and we'll send you 2,000 bucks a month if you if you conform and do all these things." And they can really centralize monetary policy. Like, it's ironic like the end result of cryptocurrency might literally be the US Treasury runs the entire financial system. Yeah.
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(58:12) And that was like with the um with David Sachs and Bo Hines before he left for Tether. They obviously had that 180day period where we need a brief on the state of the crypto landscape and what we're going to do from a policy perspective and they snuck that that that blurb I believe on like page 167 of a 300page report.
(58:32) There was like two sections where we recommend that you expand the Patriot Act to include a six condition I think is how they called it. I think there's five conditions that that the Patriot Act sort of looks for when it pertains to financial uh information. in there like we need to expand create a sixth condition for digital assets and I mean it's just completely tonedeaf from the administration where it's like no we're a bunch of people who would like to repeal the Patriot Act repeal the bank secrecy act and then you had um comments on the hill I believe two or three weeks ago from Fininsen and the Treasury talking about what they want to do to sort of codify
(59:07) this sixth condition and they talked about uh eliminating the ability for individuals to coin join uh eliminating the ability for individuals to do sort of um delayed transaction broadcasting which is a a good tried and trueue sort of best practice for broadcasting onchain Bitcoin transactions.
(59:31) And the one asinine thing that really is like a signal like holy crap they're trying to um really screw this up for people is like you can't have single use addresses which is best practice. you don't want to be sending Bitcoin to the same address. And they were like, "We don't like the practice of people creating single-use addresses um when they're receiving Bitcoin.
(59:51) That that tells us that they're doing something nefarious when that is literally best practice, what people have been recommended to do since Xpumps became a thing over 10 years ago." Yeah. See, I mean, this is why it's important with the talking about the war on domestic terror, war of terror stuff, because a lot of this is justified of we a lot of the stuff that's been or rhetoric that's been used to justify uh targeting uh you know, improved privacy on transactions has been, oh, it could be used to finance terrorism or it could be money laundering. But you know who's the biggest financer of terrorism and
(1:00:23) the biggest moneyaunderer in the world? Uh well, it's probably it's probably um you know the US government and its allied governments. Mhm. In their national security states that have documented I mean there's so much evidence of them doing that um for a very very long time through a variety of banks.
(1:00:48) Um and you know in the digital era they're probably using entities like that for those same purposes as well. I would be shocked if they were not. Um, and this is about censoring, preventing regular people from having privacy. Just like how I said earlier, Bill Bar being like, we want access to everyone's encrypted stuff. We don't want encryption to really exist. Um, at least as it relates to the federal government.
(1:01:11) You know, maybe there's encryption between, you know, me and Mark and me and and you, Marty, right? But like the government would have a back door into whatever it wants, and that's what they want for financial transactions. um too. And also, you know, you have to keep in mind, you know, data is the new oil. They want to harvest as much data from us as possible.
(1:01:29) If you know, financial transactions are walled off and they can't take that data. They don't like that. And it's an important part of them being able to profile you. I mean, a lot of the stuff that's in your NSA file or whatever and what they've sucked up through all the warrantless spying uh for decades now, you know, a lot of it is financial transactional stuff. Um and I don't think they have any uh interest in having that change.
(1:01:52) Um, but now as we see this, you know, apparent effort to sort of regen up war on domestic terror rhetoric, we need this to stop Antifa and the dark money uh going into these radical left organizations, this and that. I mean, be careful uh there because they may be pushing for the same stuff and say it's to stop all these groups.
(1:02:14) Um, you know, but ultimately it is less financial freedom for everyone. Yeah. Right. And and even if you do subscribe to the two party system like in earnest, it's like let's not set precedent to go after leftist groups really hard and then you know it's [ __ ] Gavin Newsome running this [ __ ] and he comes in and starts going after all all these right groups.
(1:02:39) like even if you do subscribe to that, it's a very dangerous because I mean they they'll they'll change perception and pivot uh whenever it's it's convenient for them and they'll use it to enact really disgusting dangerous you know even acts of war like let's like what are they doing in Venezuela right now? It's like they're like oh my god all the drugs are pouring in from Venezuela.
(1:02:55) Let's go bomb these people. It's like as if the US government hasn't been bringing in drugs and trafficking drugs in the United States and financing their like blackbook operations. Like, oh, now we got to go blow up a fishing boat in Venezuela and start like an act of war and have like it's it's just absurd. Um, I guess maybe they figured out another way to finance blackbook operations using cryptocurrency, but maybe they don't need the They're keeping the Ukraine war going, so that's you know, right. Sure. But it's like they'll they
(1:03:24) they will take something that they'll entrench and they'll use to um you know to to to make a law or or to do a thing you know a decade ago and then in the future they'll use the exact opposite of that thing to enforce uh you know whatever the hell they want. So it's like we have enough evidence now of this pingpong back and forth.
(1:03:44) These ping pongs used to be generational where we would see you know um you know parties literally just switch entirely. you know, the Dems and the Republicans basically switched uh you know, in the in the Kennedy era like you know and before you know what side they were really on in terms of kind of traditional left right that switched that used to be a generational thing. You wouldn't see that in your lifetime.
(1:04:09) Our [ __ ] generation is getting onslaughted with just back and forth. We're in this, you know, like we we we kind of said, you know, last time we were on, we're like, we're entering this [ __ ] you know, a cyclone and the hypernormalization of everything is going to be super dis destabilizing and discombobulating on purpose and they're going to use it to push a whole bunch of [ __ ] and it's going to be really crazy.
(1:04:36) It's been even crazier than I possibly thought it it could be with with like how fast things are going back and forth and moving and just like I mean that just this administration alone I mean does it feel like it's been nine months? I mean I feel like it's been like two years. Oh my god. Yeah.
(1:04:55) Yeah. And it's like I wrote a newsletter like the week after Charlie Kirk like don't focus on the negative, focus on the good coming out of that. I think when it comes to all this discussion, like particularly the war on domestic terror, like the signal to me that we're going in the right direction is when you're actually attacking the core of the problem, which I think is people are doped up on SSRIs that are driving them crazy.
(1:05:21) The food's bad, the health's bad, and you're not actually we're not actually um getting to the other core of the problem, the predominant core of the problem, which is the economic situation. Like people are all pissed off because they can't sustain a quality of life that that their parents and grandparents were able to and that's going to drive people to the streets and they're going to have sort of misdirected they don't want they don't want another like occupy Wall Street thing when people realize that they're still getting you know screwed by bankers right that's like we need to anchor people to focus on the core problems like it's it's economic quality of life uh wealth
(1:05:53) gap totally Yeah. And um I would add that our government is run by organized crime uh who were also the bankers basically. Um and they don't want freedom for the plebs. Yeah. It's like let let's hyperfocus on like how do we get the plebs to give their freedoms away to us and we'll tell them that they're getting all of these things, you know, better security, no crime. Yeah. And also like etc.
(1:06:24) who like people have really bad quality of life for all the reasons why you just said. I would say I agree. You know, it's a bit of a copout sometimes, but I kind of think it's true. It's like, well, the the dollar has just inflated so much no one can save any money. Wages suck. Everything's more expensive.
(1:06:41) Everyone is like it's just the the pot is boiling. And really, instead of blaming the people that caused the situation in the first place, right? Like this was an issue I had uh you know I hate both parties but this was an issue I had with some of the people that were giving a free pass to Trump for 2.0. It's like he printed a ton of money and locked everybody down.
(1:06:59) like he was a big part of the bailouts uh the first time around the going direct plan which you could argue maybe was even the point of the pandemic was to print a ton of money when the repo market fails in fall 2019 and then shut everything down uh so there's no demand and we print trillions of dollars and hand it to black rockck basically but like we're all focusing on not the issues A and not the cause of the issues B and then C we're focusing on like oh it's like armed med mentally ill transsexuals that are the that's why my life sucks, you know? It's like no, it's not. There's like barely any of them in
(1:07:37) the world at all. Like I I like we're we're all being really like, you know, because our content feeds are so curated. They can, again, I talked about this last time, they know what demographic we are, they can feed us exactly what it is that we need to see to push us a little bit in that direction, and we misplace the blame.
(1:07:54) Yeah. They get us so angry at the totally wrong things. Like again, I think TDS, Trump derangement syndrome was like the greatest scop maybe next to Q like ever because the left is so deranged as to how they talk about Trump that you can't even take them seriously and they don't talk any like it's like okay well your criticisms of Trump are ridiculous but there's a lot of things to criticize Trump about but you can't because then you're a libtard and it's like well no I I don't have anything against the li I'm not I don't blame the
(1:08:26) liberals for for anything that happened. Like they were socially engineered to do absolutely insane [ __ ] and believe crazy [ __ ] because their quality of life sucked. And I don't blame the right either because they were socially engineered just on a different social media platform or with a different algorithm. And I don't blame them. It's not their fault.
(1:08:44) It's not the left or the right's fault. It's the the people at the top that are giving us all this [ __ ] to make us mad at each other. and we need to come together and not go kill each other in the streets and go point at the people that are causing this.
(1:09:02) And as the discourse falls apart, as our public squares fall apart and we're forced more and more onto centralized platforms and centralized financial instruments, we like lose the ability to come together and fight the the real issue that we need to fight. And even just saying that, right, like I'm probably now on some [ __ ] Palunteer database cuz I'm saying we should, you know, uh, they don't they don't surveil US citizens. You're fine. Good. Perfect.
(1:09:25) Perfect. But like, yeah, we should tar and feather the people running the government on both sides that did this to us. I don't want to hurt my brother in the street, you know? It's like they're my classmates, you know? Like they're not I don't care if they believe crazy things. I think both people on both sides believe crazy things.
(1:09:39) I probably believe crazy things, but I'm not that they're not my enemy, you know? They're my brother, so why are we shooting each other? Why would I brought up I brought up Wupy Wall Street earlier and I think that was really disturbing to them because that was like this is the majority of people. Yes. And it's against the oligarchy, right? The 1% oligarchy.
(1:10:00) Um, and honestly, you know, a lot of my work points to this being a bipartisan thing pushing us towards this technofudalism, like a neofudalism stuff with transhumanism in it, where they use transhumanism and and AI to basically stratify the 99% from the 1% by technological and genetic engineering means, basically. Um, and they're very open about that.
(1:10:27) And one of the guys I brought up earlier, um, who was an inspiration for Mark Andre's technoptimist stuff, one of the neo-reactionary guys, the dark enlightenment guys, his name's Nick Land. Uh, he basically says, uh, he calls the elite the self-filtering or what is it? I wrote it down, sorry.
(1:10:47) genetically self-filtering elite and says that they're superior uh uh and that they'll continue to be superior because uh you know once the singularity is here um you know we'll uh be the the elites will be able to dominate genetic engineering and will engineer themselves into something completely superior to everyone else and then basically the rest of us uh will be uh trash you know and this is also in uh you know I mean The a lot of the same rhetoric in like Mark Andre world and Nick Land world is really similar to the rhetoric you get from the globalists like Eric Schmidt
(1:11:19) and Henry Kissinger in their books about it and how basically we need to become forget what they called it something like techno optimists or something that like we need to become we need to merge with machines it's the only way and you hear this from Elon too um and you know it's I it makes sense when you look at how people like Eric Schmidt are also on the steering committee of Bilderberg with Peter Teal and Alex Karp and we're told these are elites on different sides. Like you had people in last election like Pete Kenones being like
(1:11:50) these are our elites. They're on our side and Bari Bari Weiss being like yeah they're the counter elites. No, they're not. They Dave Smith calling them the the cool billionaires. Yeah, I don't think there's anything cool about this [ __ ] Sorry. Uh taking us to this end point of transhumanism. I mean, it basically creates a massive us versus them thing.
(1:12:13) Um, and you know, the way Kissinger and Schmidt put it, they're like, eventually, uh, people won't even be able to cognitively comprehend what's being done to them and how they're being engineered by by AI and by this other class of people that program and maintains the AI and decides what it does to people.
(1:12:30) And ultimately a lot of the rhetoric here about you know like Nick Lan's hyper racism it's completely indistinguishable uh from the eugenics of like the Rockefeller crowd and the global government crowd which obviously Kissinger and Co are are parts of or even some of these oldtime Fabian socialist guys like HG Wells um the idea of like you know the the lower classes will become a different species from the upper class. I mean these people were the the you really Genesis you know back in the early 20th century and 19th
(1:13:01) century were openly saying this and uh you know they were behind the League of Nations. A lot of them were intimately involved in the creation of the of the UN. Um and it's this is not good. It's something it's the elites on both sides and this idea that there's these two uh types of you know two classes of elites that are fundamentally different.
(1:13:24) No, at the end of the day, they are playing us against ourselves. And some of them play the role of we're elites on this side and we're elites on the other side to help engineer the divide and conquer necessary to hurt us into this cattle pin uh that is digital and eventually if we allow ourselves to go in there. They have made it very explicit that the the notchosen ones basically will be engineered to be inferior genetically and also with the use of technology like brain chips and all of this transhumanist [ __ ] Um and oh my god, dude, it's insane. It's just completely bonkers. And it's not conspiracy anymore. They're very open about it on
(1:14:04) both sides. But the thing is people don't read what these people write. They don't read their books. Uh they look at sound bites of them on Joe Rogan's podcast where they're basically like, "Hey, I'm a normal guy like you." You know, I mean, Peter Teal went and did that. And you know, Mark Andre went and did that.
(1:14:22) Mark Zuckerberg. Hey, fellow kids. It's me, Marky. I didn't mean to censor you. I'm one of the guys now. Look at my chain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You had YouTube come out yesterday. Google admit. Um yeah, I'm I'm not demonetized anymore, so I don't think we have to worry. I think we have at least two weeks where we don't have to worry. Hell yeah.
(1:14:40) Frustrating cuz I got demonetized for talking about climate change and u co vaccines and I mean I got demonetized for the co vaccine also on Patreon and that's yeah it it sucks so hard because it's like this is where again we're like even when you push back on this stuff like you need to have a lot of empathy and sympathy for people that are good hardworking people who are stuck using platforms that they don't control that their livelihood is connected into where they're like like they have to play the algo games, they have to do the mouth open thumbnails, they have to do these things. And
(1:15:16) Richard Greaser told me to mention that to you, by the way. Yeah, we're going to make we're going to make the best thumbnail for this episode. Yeah. Um uh but it's but it's like they have to play those games and it's like like I think your show's like wonderful. It's it's one of the few shows in in the space that I like actually regularly check out and and because you have open discourse really all across the board. People that you don't necessarily agree with.
(1:15:40) Sometimes you have, you know, and and but you're still at the whim of like if you want to talk about co vaccines, they can [ __ ] pull your money, you know, your livelihood. And you know, I I obviously, you know, a lot of us in the Bitcoin space have some bit more of of [ __ ] you status where we can be like, okay, well, I can deal with not having it for a week or whatever, but some people can't, you know, and I had that privilege during CO where like I was a semester away from finishing a degree in electrical engineering when CO happened
(1:16:05) and they were like, you got to get a a thingy and I was like, I'm not I'm not doing that. And I was able to just walk away because I had some some money squirreled away in this in this weird protocol thing. And I was able to just say no.
(1:16:21) But like a lot of people have a family and they worked really hard to do that and they wouldn't be able to say no. And that's now happening with like content creation and the livelihood of people online. And it's just like it's it it's it's sad and it's scary. Well, it's it's it's ultimately going to go back to that that same coercive mechanism that Mark was just describing.
(1:16:38) It may not be co next time. It might be something else, but this is how it's going to operate. And eventually it'll be like if you don't want to comply with digital ID, then you can't be banked period or it could be, you know, infinite number of of things. You can't travel, etc. if you don't play ball.
(1:16:56) And you know, it was the vaccine passport crap uh during COVID. But that's really just a roadmap for where all of this is going. And I think there was a lot of awareness of that a couple years ago and it seemingly evaporated. um which is unfortunate because if you're aware of where they're trying to take us, you can plan things to not have to comply.
(1:17:15) So like so for example, if you're like one of those people Mark mentioned where like you had you felt like you had to get the COVID vaccine because you have a family support and you can't you you couldn't lose your job. Uh do you want to be in that same situ situation again like 5 to 6 to 10 years later or would you want to structure your life so that you don't have to be that dependent on the whims? um of a government or another a you know authoritarian entity uh that's you know u forcing you to make choices you don't want to make and wrecking your individual sovereignty because of whatever reason. You know ideally we
(1:17:51) should all have been spending this time being like they're going to do this crap again. um and how here's how I'm going to set up my life to be independent so that I don't have to uh go through this stuff or or you know these lessons I learned about how this tactic affected my life and how I'm going to be free from it next time.
(1:18:09) I mean, that's really what we should have been doing, but there's been constant distractions. Um, you know, and the more people are sucked in, I guess, to social media and the online world in this, it's not even a 24-hour news cycle, it's like a 2hour news, I mean, it's just crazy. Um, you know, the the less you are doing probably, I would assume, you know.
(1:18:28) Um, and so it's really important for people to, I think, remember that and look at how can I structure my life and my family's life, uh, to help us be independent and and safe from what's coming. Because what happens when, like I mentioned earlier, like a lot of these elites, you know, they have these transhumanist fantasies, not just for them where they're going to live together, but for the underclass.
(1:18:52) And what happens when it's like, well, you know, uh, if you want to work and have a job and not just have UBI, whatever, well, you you need a brain chip. It's demolition, man. You know, or Yeah, but I mean I I mean, maybe it sounds weird, but it really shouldn't at this point. Or maybe it's like you have to, you know, we'll inject this into you next time if you want to keep your job. It could be anything.
(1:19:14) I mean, I don't know. I I I have this issue when talking with like independent media people that uh have, you know, a lot of reservations about like Bitcoin and digital finance in general because they just sort of throw garlic and holy water and kind of do the, you know, they're like, "This is a Trojan horse for CBDC or whatever, total control.
(1:19:38) " and and maybe they read some of our work or or looked at the stable coin warnings or whatever and were like, "Oh my god, this is it, blah, blah, and maybe didn't really grock the nuance of the situation." And it's like actually like, yes, there might be a divided class entirely that comes downstream of the Bitcoin monetization and the dollar play underneath it with stable coins. That's very actually likely and and is where I'm personally expecting things to go.
(1:20:05) That's why I want it to go as slow as possible. I want as many people to get on boarded as possible to have it safely offboarded on exchanges as possible and all these things that we talk about. But it's like I can still say bad things could happen from a hyper bitcoinization world.
(1:20:26) The faster it happens it we won't really save that many people if it if the way that it happens now. how many people can really hold their own coins, yada yada yada. But they see these warnings and then they take it and they're like, "Bitcoin's terrible. Anybody that says anything about Bitcoin is a Fed scammer, pusher guy, blah blah blah. They're a spoop blah blah.
(1:20:44) " And it's like, "No, I'm telling you that you need to learn about this so that maybe you don't become in that lower class because that's probably where this is going to go." Now, there could be good things that come from removing the monopolization of of monetary growth like to this deflationary system that no one can change monetary policy of. That could be an extremely good thing.
(1:21:05) Also, there could be like, okay, 100,000 people have access to that meaningfully and 7.9 billion people don't. And that and that's bad. But they just they take all of the, you know, good work and research and things about like, hey, maybe some of the people behind these things aren't so good and look at where this could go.
(1:21:24) And then they write off the whole thing and it's like, no, I don't I don't want you to be a slave. I I I don't want you to be an underclass because you didn't research this technology. And maybe it does go to zero. I don't know. But there's a good chance that it won't. And it's a good chance the state's going to use it to debt pardon. And in which case, you probably want to grab some.
(1:21:42) You know, it's the same thing why the precious metals people have been talking about this for years and they were directionally correct, but I think technology-wise they were probably wrong. Um although we will see obviously gold is on a hell of a run, but I think when that stops and I think things will pivot back into Bitcoin and and maybe some crypto, too.
(1:22:01) But I you know, why would you ignore this trend? It's it's like saying let's not buy gold before Brett and Woods. It's like because they're going to create a new world order with gold. Why the [ __ ] wouldn't you want to hold gold in your house if they're going to do that? You're not participating in the building of the new world order by owning Bitcoin even if they use Bitcoin and stable coins to create and that you're not.
(1:22:24) It's not the same as buying a stock like a pounder stock where you're like financing the company by buying their equity. It's like it's a commodity. It's an asset. It's not the same thing. And like there's a lot of reasons to be apprehensive about a hyper bitcoinized world. I think that there are there also a lot of reasons to be excited about it, but the nuance there is like lost on a lot of people.
(1:22:41) And I just like I hate that otherwise well-intentioned smart people can't like see that, you know, hey, maybe this will be bad for a lot of people, but like I want to protect my family and I want to I want to be set up so that I don't get put in that lower class.
(1:23:01) Um, why wouldn't you consider that? Why wouldn't you squirrel away $500 or $1,000 if you can in a in a hyperinflating, you know, dollar world anyway? It's like you should really look into it and educate to make the decision for yourself. Um because I don't want you to be in the [ __ ] Yarvin [ __ ] honey bee pod virtualized world thing. I don't want anybody to be that.
(1:23:21) I want to I want to go throw a ball with you outside in the field. I don't want you stuck uh in the metaverse, you know? So, like consider ways to make sure you don't get [ __ ] stuck on the metaverse. I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying, but I I hope that makes sense. No, I have a couple thoughts.
(1:23:39) Number one, like I'm highly skeptical that like AGI ASI is as close as these people are making. I agree with that. But they're going to sell it as that. I mean, they already tried that ex Google guy that was like, "It's sentient. Here it is." And people were like, "Oh [ __ ] it's happening." And then and then it was like, oh yeah, I doctorred the transcript.
(1:23:57) It didn't really happen. I mean, they can do that whenever they want. And here's the thing, too, is that like in that Kissinger, one of the Kissinger Schmidt books about AI, they're like either the at the the development of the AI industry leads to one of two outcomes.
(1:24:15) Either it creates a new world religion or uh you know, the underclass revolts against the elites and overthrows them. What which outcome do you think Kissinger and and Schmidt want? Yeah. Well, out of that I was going to say blasphe these open source models to an extent like obviously they have their own system prompts but I think that's our our best way to fight back against like the open AI metas of the world XAI if you don't if you don't think they're going to bring us down a good direction like and seeing what Tony and Marks at at Maple AI have been able to build like using actualum to end encryption to make sure that your
(1:24:54) conversations with the large language models are private and the data stays on the secure enclaves. Like that gives me a lot of hope. And if you are paying attention to like the cutting edge models, these open source models are really catching up. And so it's just making people aware that they exist in the first place and and pushing them to to leverage them.
(1:25:13) Well, even with that, the only thing I would add is that I think it's important for people to not become dependent on any sort of AI algorithm because there's the whole I mean, I've talked about this for years. If you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. If we become dependent on AI for a variety of tasks, one day you wake up and you can't do that task without the AI anymore and you like need to have it. Obviously, better to be I mean obviously in the case of like Open AI and those companies, it's
(1:25:37) subscription model. So, you lose the ability to do that task. you are stuck paying them right infinitely to be able to do the thing that you need to do right um but in in general just like at a cognitive level I feel like you know the the people of the world are really under like a multi-pronged attack and a lot of it is a psychological war and like a cognitive war and so it's really important for people to like still be able to use their brain for things that are important and a big part of that is you know being able to discern for yourself
(1:26:10) um critical thinking and analysis um you know I think a lot of things of course that aren't really taught in US schools or really schools anywhere right um but I mean they're essential and the more we outsource our thinking um to AI you know it's problematic and also you know just sort of um not preparing yourself to look at the ex Twitter's you know uh for you algorithm and having all this stuff pushed at you you know and absorbing it all without having any sort of discernment about why that may be. You know, I think people need to kind of
(1:26:45) uh consider that they're going into a literal, you know, battlefield every time they're getting on these platforms and to not be so easily well, I'm sure, but it's not so not to be so easily influenced by things and to look at a variety of sources and try and discern things from uh yourself and try to avoid all the the rage bait, you know, and the stuff to get us really like emotionally upset and angry because I've said this before um on your show, Marty, you know, the more uh upset and agitated and emotional people become, the less the less rationally they think,
(1:27:20) right? Um and the more impulsively uh they do things or say things, right? And I think specifically that's how they want us though all the time. and also how they want us. Again, I think as it relates to talking about Schmidt and Google and AI and how they meet, you know, you were telling me the other day about the the the like, you know, Google Schmidt has said Google is a failure in the sense that every time you ask a question and search for something, it should give you one answer, just one answer. Like a perfect search engine, you get exactly what you're looking for. this whole, you know, 10 pages of going
(1:27:58) through trying to find something and all these links, like that's a failure in the sense that if they were doing their job perfectly, you would ask a question and get the perfect answer. The right answer calls in, right? And who determines what's the right answer? Well, it's it's Google's AI. It's it's it's the algorithm.
(1:28:18) Well, that's the goal of AI to do research for Schmidt and presumably for a lot of these guys, right? I mean, Google's easily the most important one and it kind of doesn't really matter. So now a lot of these search engines, you know, they'll preface with the AI answer and the results will follow, but their goal is to not have the results follow. Right. Right. It's just to have that answer there.
(1:28:41) And I mean, a lot of people are treating AI like it's authoritative, like Grock, is this real? uh you know uh but AI hallucinates and doesn't actually think you know it's trained on patterns of data and so it returns you know it's a probabilistic outcome not a deterministic is like the and and ultimately you know it's the man behind the curtain [ __ ] you know even if they are feeding it off of you know sound data uh cache and you know it's it's a fine algorithm once they establish the dominance of single input single output and everybody is getting their information from these things. They can swap it out. They can
(1:29:20) come in and and and and be like, "Oh, well, now we control the present and we control the past and we control the future and we control the the answers you get for your questions. We become the front page of the internet. We become your only interaction with the internet. We become your friend. We become your lover.
(1:29:38) We become whatever the [ __ ] AI is becoming with people." and and you don't actually know who is controlling these algorithms, what the algorithms are, how they change, what changes them, what they're feeding off of. And like it's just it's almost an impossible thing to nail down to know exactly what it is that you're interacting with that that won't be changed.
(1:30:02) And your habits, your patterns are being built. You are learn. You are actually the learning model, the large language model that is being conditioned by using these things and then you just become uh conditioned to to go towards that for everything that you ever need. And that is scary. Uh I think in general and I think especially with kids being like having kids.
(1:30:27) I can hear I can hear Matt Odell screaming in my my ear right now and I have to bring up this is like why something like Noster exists, right? because you sign a piece of data, an event with a private key that is associated with you at a particular point in time and you basically have that uh it's not on a blockchain but you can like prove cryptographically like this happened at this point in time.
(1:30:52) Similarly with what the simple proof team is doing by anchoring um sort of digital record data into the Bitcoin blockchain into transactions and basically proving this record existed at this point in time. I mean to your point is like what do they call it the the dead internet theory where you don't know we are there has ever existed it's freaking insane like I have AI impersonator channels that get like hundreds of thousands of views per video they make like AI versions of me that don't even look like me dude it's terrifying or they like photoshop like a hand that's like way bigger than my hand like in front of my face
(1:31:25) they're coming like what black you they're on the moon that's going Well, this is the uh Yeah. And eventually it's got How am I going to prove that it's like not you need to sign with a private key? You need to start using like Yeah. I know you're I know. Like I I think thinking optimistically like how do we get out of this and that's why whenever we talk I'm extremely optimistic cuz I'm following like the front edge of what's happening on Bitcoin and now Noster and Noster specifically if you look at some
(1:31:55) of the clients being built on top of it it's reaching parody with X uh Twitch uh Substack and like we're getting to the point where you can have a similar experience on Nostra that you're having on the the sort of wall garden platform formed internet with with the major social media platforms that is extremely encouraging. the fact that Bitcoin's intertwined with that.
(1:32:18) It's like you can monet you can produce content, prove it was you have it distributed on this distributed protocol that nobody can control and then you can monetize it directly via Bitcoin. And we more people need to be aware of this. They need to be focused on it.
(1:32:36) And going back to like the whole divide conquer Hegelian dialectic like again I got riled up immediately after the Charlie Kirk thing but the week almost two weeks since it's like very obvious that they're trying to jin up this division. It's like don't focus on that focus on the solutions like Bitcoin Noster open source AI and educating people about this.
(1:32:55) And this is a good this is a the perfect segue into what we're working on right now which we haven't even really talked about anywhere yet. We can finally plug it now. Yeah. But we're hoping to be on the I guess the front edge of independent media by uh going back into physical media a little bit, which is pretty uh uncommon uh in the independent media space because what better way to know that it's really us, not AI sloth. Yeah.
(1:33:21) Uh than literally hold it in uh hold it in your hand. So uh we're uh making a magazine. Yeah. starting uh a magazine and a publishing house uh with our good friend Bosa who I worked with on the print magazine at at Bitcoin magazine. And uh we got a couple books in the cannon.
(1:33:46) We got uh that we're going to be having is called the technocratic dark state. It's by Ian Davis, who of course you know Marty, he's the man. Um, and a lot of the stuff uh that I uh brought up today, you know, I learned from him about, you know, Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, um, and and a lot of that philosophy, it's in that book.
(1:34:06) It's, uh, almost done reading it so far. Incredible as is the case with Ian's work pretty much across the board. It's top-notch. So, yeah. Um, yeah, excited. What's the magazine going to be called? Uh well, you know, of course, anything could happen, but uh we are going to be calling it uh Paper Cut Publishing House, and the magazine will be called The Paper Cut. Nice. Um love that. Yes. So, uh slow content for fast times.
(1:34:30) We're trying. We were like, we literally like got cameras or like let's do a video show. Let's go do what everyone is doing. And then we like kind of thought about it for a minute and we were like, "No one else does long form stuff. Maybe we should just do long form.
(1:34:49) " I feel like I feel like the only people that really do regular like long form journalism. I mean, obviously our output is slower, but it's like it's very rare. Most people do like short punchy things trying to be as timely as possible. What is everyone talking about? I'm going to talk about that. Well, it's okay because it it needs to happen. We need it. We need people like you. We need the rage. Like we need it.
(1:35:07) It's important too, but we were, you know, that's not what Unlimited Hangout is. And so, did we really want to change and do what everyone else is doing or is is an entity like that needed? So, yeah, we're going to do some old school stuff. I mean, maybe next year we'll do a video show like everyone else. I don't know.
(1:35:24) But I think I think it' be wellreceived if you did. It It's not a knock on video shows at all cuz it's like video is extremely important. It's how most people take in information. I just watched this amazing documentary uh by Elephant Graveyard about the Austin comedy scene. I don't know, did you see that? You should check it out. Unbelievable.
(1:35:44) Uh and I like a lot of those people like and I think the Austin comedy scene is very interesting, but it's so good. Um highly recommend checking that out. Talk about the hierarchy everybody. Yeah, basically like the Samakura being created by like the Kill Tony sphere in the Joe Rogan sphere and then him in the tech bro sphere and how they have basically co-opted comedy to defang one of the only uh meaningful ways to cut through kind of like state propaganda um by like normalizing the tech bros and it I don't want to ruin it but it's incredibly good. That guy is is a genius. It was incredibly funny and
(1:36:19) really well made. Adam Curtis, what you know, there's people that make amazing long form and not really good shows. Like video video content is important, but you're not video people. So why I'm balding. I got like skin stuff.
(1:36:38) Like I don't you don't want me I got a I got a face for radio uh more so a face for books, you know? I got a I got a a body for long form journalism. So I I should lean into that and do that. Um, and obviously you like you know Whitney's the the best of the best in that and I'm just happy to be here. But the I I think it's going to be really good and and it will just be a nice like uh companion to everything that's going on online.
(1:37:02) Like we need we need that too and we also need this stuff, but I don't think anyone's really doing that. What I mentioned earlier too, you know, there's this effort to use social media and AI to try and dumb us down. So an important way to hedge against that is how do I keep myself from being dumbed down? So I think it's important for people to read.
(1:37:19) Even if you don't want to read our books or our magazine, reading physical stuff is good for you. There are literally studies that say this is good. So I mean you should uh you know really consider that. And you know if it if it's a mental war, it's a cognitive or at least part of the battle is cognitive and mental.
(1:37:37) You know how do you uh build yourself up to fight in that war, you know. Yeah. And obviously we were just extremely lucky to be friends with Baza who uh you know is just you know she did the cover for my book. She's just did all the amazing physical print magazines for Bitcoin magazine for for a few years now.
(1:38:03) And I say she's a bonafide genius and and and really likes doing physical media, knows how to use printers and do the panones and you know has the perfect skill set and is such a savage and and and a genius and it's just it was it it just made a lot of sense. You know, it's like I don't think maybe we would be thinking that if we didn't have someone on our side that could kick so much ass at it and be able to do it.
(1:38:22) Bring her skill set that's like a lost art quite literally. Um you know and it's so so it's a perfect um you know uh companionship there. So obviously just hats off to her. I want to make sure she gets she gets due. But we haven't done anything yet that much. So no hats off yet, but you know it's coming. Uh and we're excited to really talk about it here first more or less.
(1:38:41) So, well, I can't wait to subscribe. I'll say that. Um, thanks, Marty. I've been trying to read now I' I've noticed this as well. Um, getting dumbed down by the algo, trying to read more long form. Um, so I've been reading more books. I got the daylight computer trying to read books on that on Kindle.
(1:38:59) And, uh, it is I mean, I mean, it's really important. You know, we have people that are like, well, yeah, I see that you wrote this piece, but um, can you like reduce it to one sentence, please? when when video pod about it or they'll be like Grock, make me a summary of this article so I don't have to read it and it's like well I mean that's what they want you to do. Yeah. Sometimes they won't even they'll be like this is too conspiratorial to break down.
(1:39:24) It's like why why but you know it's like eventually okay what if the AI run by these big tech companies that the owners have a lot of overlap with the national security state for example um and are arguably fused with them.
(1:39:41) So what happens? Okay, maybe it's giving you accurate summaries now, but then you get dependent on asking it for everything. And then what happens when they they could easily flip a switch and then it's just whatever they want you to believe. And would you know the difference after that point? Yeah. Mhm. Well, and that I mean it would be remiss of me too before we wrap up here.
(1:39:57) It's like just talk about the whole Epstein stuff. We've been covering it for 5 years. Oh man. Yeah. Like it's getting swept under the rug. Yeah. Now it is. Yeah. Now I mean now it's very inconvenient. It was very convenient on the campaign trail, wasn't it? What was in the binders? They had binders that were shown.
(1:40:14) What was in the binders? That's it was documents that had already ba basically come out and had already been publicly available, but it they tried to create the impression that it was new and but I mean they bungled that hard and all the 180s very that's my question.
(1:40:33) Are they worried like to your point about Occupy Wall Street that really scared them when it comes to the Epstein files and now with the COVID vaccine particularly? I think there's a lot of momentum, positive momentum towards getting accountability or holding the people who thrust that vaccine on the populace accountable. And who knows, maybe there still will be accountability um as in regards to COVID vaccine.
(1:40:53) Obviously, the Charlie Kirk thing happened a couple days after the Maja hearings where all this stuff was being brought up and the study by Kevin Mccernin and Jessica Rose that proved that there's SV40 and u DNA fragments and the and the Fiser vaccine specifically got um basically presented as evidence to Capitol Hill and then boom, Charlie Kirk happens and it all goes away.
(1:41:17) Like I feel like Epste also the Epstein list got wrapped up in that go away thing after the Kirk assassination too. even though one of the things that that he was pushing for also was a release of the documents, right? So, yeah. Um, but I don't know. I I mean, now a lot of people in the administration are being like, "The last thing Charlie Kirk told me that he wanted me to do is send the National Guard to Chicago.
(1:41:35) " And the last thing he told me before he died was dismantle the radical left, even though I thought his whole thing was to debate and beat the radical left with them through debate and discourse. Um, so I think people again like we brought up earlier just kind of taking advantage um uh of the situation and a lot of things are being slept swept under the rug unfortunately and yeah I mean ultimately what they don't want is us to go back to us versus the oligarchy and working together.
(1:42:07) Um and it's all about division and the more that they can drive that home they will. And I feel like um you know as the the base and the public start to sort of do that coming together they're they're throwing some event at us that fragments us back into polarization.
(1:42:29) So, I don't think the Kirk assassination is just going to be um you know a oneanddone thing in the sense that I think you know there could be some other event to bring back that strategy of tensionesque feeling um so that they can uh either sweep things under the rug that are inconvenient like the Epstein case um you know because I mean I don't know it's just so crazy that um there was all this momentum for that and now it's like well it's a Democrat hoax Marty I didn't know if you knew that um it's all very it's all very odd.
(1:42:56) Um it's all a distraction from what we really should be doing, which is falling in love and and having a and getting pregnant and eating as much Tylenol as possible while you're pregnant and creating a whole generation of artists to really good at Magic the Gathering. Exactly.
(1:43:23) and push back against this panopticon regime cuz what else can we do other than that? I mean that was like to your point earlier about uh people on the extreme left and extreme right being driven to look like crazy people. I was like there's plenty of crazy people on both sides, right? All the women just chugging Tylenol, but the social media algorithm makes you think you're like literally surrounded by those people in your own house, you know? No.
(1:43:45) Um, and if you go out and meet regular people, you'll find you have a lot more in common with them than the pregnant women on on TikTok, uh, chugging bottles of Tylenol. Totally. You know, or you know, the other side of the spectrum extreme, you know, the people that after the Kirk assassination were like, "Trump, now is the time to seize power and dismantle democracy.
(1:44:03) You must do it right now." Thanks, Sam Hyde. Well, those people aren't even real. Like, that isn't necessarily their opinions either. It's like they're also like influencers that are playing to the alos to but so are the pregnant people. Of course. That's what I mean on on on it's an emotional reaction.
(1:44:20) I'm going to push against this cuz I'm angry and pissed off but I don't really know why and so I'm just going to be a reactionary and if I go publish something and then I'll get some likes and I'll feel better or this or maybe monetize it or I mean it's and then you see people doing that and then you're influenced by people doing that.
(1:44:38) It's like the whole like people like photoshop like you know Paris Hilton era like body dysmorphia or whatever where it's like they're like already unbelievably thin and then photoshopping them to be even that and then people are seeing that and being influenced by that and then they're living like that and it creates this like down it's turtles all the way down of just like manufactured like insanity you know and that's not reality it's hyper reality and that is what we're like getting fed. We're not getting fed reality.
(1:45:06) We're getting fed hyper reality. To bring up the Kissinger Schmidt thing one one last time, uh Kissinger, who's like one of the most evil globalist turds to like probably ever exist, was like the revolutionary well, one of them, you know, there's a whole gaggle of them.
(1:45:26) Um but he basically uh was like yeah AI is the revolutionary potential of AI is in its uh use as a tool of perception and how it can like alter the perception of the masses at scale. Um and you know if you are able to alter a lot of people's perceptions about a particular event you can change that event right so um you can also change how people beh I mean that's the it's the easiest way to influence human behavior too.
(1:45:51) Um, so it's not MK Ultra mind control necessarily, but it's a way of getting pe of controlling people and controlling human behavior. Not that we're trying to control human behavior, but we've been using video generation to tell stories that have never been told before. Yeah. And you've been doing very well with them.
(1:46:09) I mean, that that's like again silver lining like you can use these tools to combat this stuff, too. Like Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, like I said earlier, you have to mentally propel prepare yourself not just to use them, but consume them.
(1:46:27) Um, and so, you know, people need to be able to distinguish between um, you know, I mean, it's important to use all the tools at our right, but it's important to be able to use all the tools at our disposal uh, to fight this war, but we also don't want to fall victim to the stuff that they're trying to us to entrap us in, right, either. So, it's a fine line to walk, but you have to be mentally prepared about it.
(1:46:45) It's like being like I have a I'm a blue check, you know, shout out Matt, you know, blue check on Twitter fighting the globalists, blah blah blah blah. It's like tweeting 55 times a day online 24/7, live streaming on spaces. It's like you're exact. You're the globalist wet dream, bro. Like, what do you I don't mean you. I mean just like you know someone doing that.
(1:47:08) It's like well like yes there is something there is ground to be gained by being in the you know like when Noster was kind of first kicking off and you know I am on there but not with my real name but I remember kind of being like but X is still or Twitter is still the battleground and that's kind of where the discourse is still happening. Yeah.
(1:47:26) And I think that's starting to now I think it's like it's just it we are sort of unfortunately in the dead internet [ __ ] I mean it's just bots. It's terrible discourse. You're getting fed crap. I never see my friends [ __ ] anymore. It's an AI to look for it. AI is overtly taking over the algorithm in like a month's time or something. It's going to get weird.
(1:47:44) Yeah. They're going to be like, "Look at our animated waifu chatbot." That's Grock. Yeah, that I like. I do like it's like it's like Elon's like, "Go up, go. You need we need to have more kids." And it's like this anime that's gonna suck you into the metaverse. It's Yeah.
(1:48:08) Yeah. But at the at the other side of his mouth, Elon's like, "The population is declining," you know, and then he's like, "Here, have the have the sex chat bots so you don't reproduce." Yeah. Yeah. Um, who who is doing uh who who do you guys look to right now that's building out there projects that are being worked on outside of Bitcoin or anything we discussed? Anything we haven't discussed that you like you think we should be paying attention to? Well, our publishing company pretty cool. Um, so unfortunately, I'll let uh I guess maybe Mark knows stuff. I don't.
(1:48:38) But, you know, basically, I mean, all I really know is like at a personal level, you know, uh, my house is now off-grid 100%. Very cool. Because where I live, the power companies are up to no good. They are screwing people. Uh, just like raising rates 300% with like no justification. people are really freaked out about how they're going to pay their power bills.
(1:49:02) Um, and I think that's something that's happening in the US, too. I think it's just going to, you know, probably be happening at a global scale. Um, and it's important to be as independent as you can off of, um, off of the system. So, you know, I know other people here that have done that and are doing that.
(1:49:18) Um, I know people that are, you know, expatting to Chile, uh, where I live, trying to, uh, develop an affordable homestead because you can get clean water and a nicesized property for pretty cheap down here. Um, and trying to build a better life for, uh, you know, them and their family and build community down here.
(1:49:36) There's Chileans doing that. There's Chileans and expats doing that together. Um, you know, so I only really know about that on a personal level. And I know obviously of people in the in the states that are also trying to do those things um up there.
(1:49:54) But obviously, you know, it can take a lot more capital to do it up in the US just because of property prices and things like that and how different um it is. But ultimately, you know, I think those are the things that anything that contributes to people being more uh resilient at the family level and then in the neighborhood level.
(1:50:11) You know, I've always said for a long time, we have to focus as locally as as we can uh to prepare ourselves for what they're going to try and thrust upon us to hurt us into uh these digital corral. So, how to not be I mean, we should be focusing as much as possible on how to not be hurted uh basically and that necessitates networks of local resilience, right? Um, so you know, that's basically, you know, what I've been uh trying to focus on and, uh, restarting my garden and all of that kind of stuff.
(1:50:44) Um, so, but obviously, you know, that's me focusing on the local, trying to, you know, practice what I preach. Um, but I'm I'm sure there's, you know, a lot of other good stuff going on that I'm just not super plugged into cuz I'm trying to be less plugged in, I guess, in general. Um because I also have you know three tiny people to take care of and uh focus a lot of my time on them too instead of the you know everything everything going on.
(1:51:09) Yeah. And I I was telling you before we hit record I moved back home to be closer to family three little people to take care of as well and it's been extremely rewarding. And to your point about online is not the real world. Like you can I moved back to the Philadelphia area where I was born and raised and famously in the United States the one of the [ __ ] li capitals of the country.
(1:51:34) But but but also but also I don't know my family agrees with my political views. Some people have been sighed by things that have happened. But I I've found that not only my family but in the neighborhood, people in the area, if you have a conversation and you don't get too aggressive, they're they're typically open to to dialogue. 100%.
(1:51:58) I grew up in New England, which obviously, you know, you know, Philly and New England have their have their history, but but Northeast, like, yeah, there's [ __ ] stuff or whatever, but I don't know. It's a different kind of [ __ ] Like the California [ __ ] is a little more [ __ ] up than the the Northeast [ __ ] And I can say from having lived in both places and like but I think to your point, hey, you know, leaning into family is the way to go.
(1:52:16) Um, but yeah, like go meet your neighbor. Go talk to your neighbor. I mean, that's that's like you're going to find you have so much more in common with them. Like discourse is not what we see on on DARPA social networks that are fed by DARPA algorithms that, you know, like that's not really discourse. It's simulated discourse. It's hyper reality.
(1:52:34) Like the touch grass meme is a little overdone, but like go knock on doors. Go go go meet your neighbors. Like I don't know. They may be crazy. They may be awesome. They may be crazy awesome. They may be all the things. And and and that's just like it's it's trit. It sounds stupid.
(1:52:52) It sounds so like cliche, but like those are the people that are going to be around you and near you when if [ __ ] goes down and you need to build relationships with them. like the whole idea of decentralizing and all all this [ __ ] we talk about like what if you need a a a cup of sugar, you know, like you go to your uh your neighbor, you know, we need to be able to bring back barter and all these things that doesn't that doesn't happen from being on Instagram, you know, it happens from going and meeting the people in your at your farmers market or this or whatever and and all the things said to getting
(1:53:23) yourself ready to take care of your neighbors if something gets [ __ ] up. have chickens, have a garden, have a well, have solar, whatever it is, so that you can help your neighbors when when [ __ ] goes down. Um, but you have to meet them and know them and be prepared yourself for any of that to happen.
(1:53:42) Because like the co era was all about getting us locked in our homes and like not talking to other people and and now they want us to just talk to AI about everything and have conversations with AI and not with real people. So be able to like Mark said, building real connections is super important. and what they don't want you to do. Yeah. And get into group chats, not posting on the timeline.
(1:54:01) Go get discourse going and brewing with the boys and the gals and and and that's that's to me what the social media stuff is from. Like I've met so many important people in my life just because of Twitter. Like I'm not going to say that like I got my job because of Twitter.
(1:54:19) A lot of these things I found my community during COVID because of it and and a lot of other way more important things. But there's also all the things that we've said in this last 2 hours or whatever is also all true. So, you know, nurture the relationships you can from these things, but don't get caught up in them. Don't let them use you. Use them.
(1:54:36) And I think the best way to do that is like understand it's about connecting with the people. Go see them. Go meet them. Go talk with them on another platform. Go figure out other ways so that if you're, you know, group chat gets blown up, you can still talk to them on another thing or whatever. and forge real relationships that aren't relying on centralized algorithms and centralized platforms and so you can have resilient relationships at the local and international level. Yeah.
(1:55:01) And the last thing I'll say because I forgot to mention earlier, go watch hypernormalization like this whole al-Qaeda guy thing uh at the yesterday. It's like the reverse Gaddafi storyline in hyper normalization. Totally. Totally. But like I said earlier, they repeat the same tactics and crap all the time. Yeah.
(1:55:18) So the more you learn about how they've done this in the past, the more you'll be able to recognize how they're doing the same crap now. Like they're not creative. Yeah. Focus on the Gaddafi storyline and hyperormalization then compared to the al-Qaeda guy that's going on right now. It's like very very similar. Yeah. It's it's bonkers, but it's very disturbing. Um Oh man.
(1:55:39) Well, I probably have to go uh pick up one of my tiny people from school here in a little bit, but it's been great catching up Marty. Hopefully, we won't have to wait 10 and a half months to do it again. Well, I will I will wait patiently if it does. Good luck to the both of you with paper cut. Um, thanks Marty. Yeah, thanks, brother. And we'll uh we'll do it again. Absolutely. All right. Peace. Cheers, everybody. Thanks for having us.
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