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Luke Gromen Exposes the Treasury Bond Bubble

May 29, 2024

Luke Gromen Exposes the Treasury Bond Bubble

Luke Gromen Exposes the Treasury Bond Bubble

Key Takeaways

In this podcast episode, Preston Pysh and Luke Gromen discuss the bubbles of the financial market, the devaluation of the dollar, the state of the treasury bond market, and the implications of fiscal policies on inflation and liquidity.

Retail and banks flooding into long-term treasury bonds. An alarming trend is noted – the treasury bonds are likely to be a bubble, which, if burst, could have far-reaching consequences for the markets. The discussion pivots to the dollar's stability and the systematic addition of liquidity to prevent yield rates from skyrocketing, maintaining economic and political palatability.

Gromen, whose expertise spans nearly three decades, shares his perspective on the Fiscal Treasury's approach, hinting at subtle tactics such as adjusting treasury issuance to manage liquidity levels akin to quantitative easing (QE) without openly declaring it. This strategic maneuvering is aimed at keeping the treasury market functional and rates sustainable.

A significant focus is placed on the federal government's role in managing the economic balance through interventions like guaranteeing second mortgages, which is likened to a covert stimulus package.

Furthermore, the conversation delves into the implications of AI and technological advancement on energy demands, stressing the enormous gap between current capacities and future requirements. The role of traditional commodities like copper and uranium becomes crucial, painting a picture of a significant inflationary impact due to technological growth – a stark contrast to the historical deflationary nature of new technologies.

Best Quotes

1. "Every time retail and banks have been flooding into something, it's usually a sign that that's the bubble. Guess what retail and banks have been flooding into for the last 3 to 5 years? Treasury bonds. Long-term Treasury bonds are the bubble."

2. "I think everybody knows that everybody knows that the cleanest, easiest way to play that is on bitcoin. The most leveraged way to play what's happening is Bitcoin."

3. "AI is going to make rates go up because they're short the copper and the electrical infrastructure and energy. It's going to be so. That's completely the opposite."

4. "AI means the end point of AI, in the presence of a debt-backed system, means central banks are going to have to fully reserve all the debt or the substantial majority of the debt. That's where AI leads us."

5. "Neutral reserve assets will outperform everything else as the deflation of technology forces central bankers over time at an accelerating pace to fully reserve everything, all the debt, and the price level will adjust."


The podcast episode offers a thorough analysis of current economic affairs, particularly focusing on the treasury bond market, dollar liquidity, and the impact of government strategies. There is a bubble in long-term treasury bonds, and the government is actively managing liquidity to maintain order. The potential implications of this approach, especially in light of advancing technologies like AI, suggest an inflationary future driven by the demands of a new economic reality.


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