Key Takeaways

In this episode, Zuby joins Marty Bent to share 12 core lessons for Gen Z, using Bitcoin as a metaphor for scarcity, discipline, and sovereignty while exploring themes of personal growth, values, and long-term thinking. He contrasts Gen Z’s unprecedented access to information, tools, and global connectivity with the risks of mental health decline, doomscrolling, and destructive influences, urging them to reject nihilism, surround themselves with ambitious, value-aligned people, and avoid life-altering mistakes that waste time, the rarest resource of all. Zuby advocates calculated risk-taking, channeled aggression into constructive work, and living by God’s laws or a similar moral framework, noting the proven social and personal benefits of traditional values. He stresses the importance of family, thinking decades ahead, taking oneself seriously, and building compounding habits, while warning against cultural propaganda that undermines strength, independence, and purpose. The message is clear: filter the noise, seize the opportunities, and build a disciplined, meaningful life.

Best Quotes

“Bitcoin will only ever be 21 million. Extremely scarce. The only thing scarcer than Bitcoin is your time.”

“Doomer thinking becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy… It’s a demonic message that tells people no matter what they do, the future is going to be worse.”

“Birds of a feather flock together. If you hang around with degenerates or criminals, eventually you’ll get roped into something, even if you’re a straight shooter.”

“Most mistakes are temporal. But there are some that will make life harder forever, a felony, crippling debt, multiple kids with multiple partners. They’re avoidable, but culture doesn’t always teach you that.”

“Even people who aren’t religious but are genuinely thriving tend to live in alignment with God’s laws, whether they acknowledge it or not.”

“Life has different seasons. There are certain things you can only do during certain windows. Miss the window, and it’s gone.”

“When I had my first son, I locked in harder than I’ve ever locked in on anything. It doesn’t end your life, it motivates you to reach levels you didn’t know you could.”

“Show up in the world with self-respect. It’ll make you stand out because so many people just don’t.”

“They fed us the idea that you can be smart or strong, but not both. That’s nonsense. You can, and should, be both.”

“The ones seeking out this kind of knowledge are already light-years ahead. The tools to build have never been more accessible, cheaper, or more powerful than today.”

Conclusion

This episode serves as a blueprint for thriving in the modern era, with Zuby urging Gen Z to reject victimhood, avoid irreversible mistakes, and embrace discipline, moral clarity, and long-term thinking. He presents today’s world as a double-edged sword of unmatched opportunities and unprecedented distractions, challenging listeners to filter the noise, choose uplifting influences, and invest in habits that compound over time. His message is clear: with tools no generation has had before, use them to build a purposeful life, protect your time, body, mind, and values, and actively forge the future rather than fear it.

Timestamps

0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Identifying Gen Z problem - article written
9:19 - Doom vs opportunities
16:56 - Bitkey & Opportunity Cost
18:34 - Importance of your circle
21:21 - Judgement and standards
27:43 - Big mistakes
35:06 - Unchained
35:32 - Living by God’s law
47:35 - Long-term thinking and family legacy
59:46 - Children are motivating
1:04:30 - Take yourself seriously

Transcript

(00:00) Even just talking about Bitcoin, like you're gonna offend someone. There's nothing scarcer than time. You talk about Bitcoin only ever be 21 million. Extremely scarce. The only thing scarcer than Bitcoin is your time. People have this subconscious recognition that they're not living up to their true potential.
(00:18) Not a lot of people think, "Okay, what do I want my life to look like between 50 and 100?" Zubie, it's been too long. Welcome back to the show. Thanks, man. How you doing? Doing well. Doing well. Like I was telling you, I don't know if whether it's intend I feel compelled recently in the last six months to try to better understand Gen Z. Uh because I'm I'm looking down. I'm We were just talking about our children. I'm a father. I've got two. Third on the way.
(00:47) You just had your first child. And I don't know. I'm looking at Gen Z streamer culture. uh looking at the job market, looking at uh inflation and I don't want to say I'm worried but just sort of looking uh at the generation below me. I mean, like what what is the future going to look like for you and how are you going to succeed? Is this in this chaotic, crazy, quickly changing world? And you wrote a piece last week, uh, advice for Gen Z men particularly.
(01:20) Um, so that's why I wanted to bring you on, I guess, with this piece particularly, what compelled you to write this and speak to Gen Z specifically? Yeah, it's a great question, man. Um, I mean, throughout my entire career, I've always, my primary audience has always been young men.
(01:47) When I just started out as a rapper in the mid 2000s, most of the people who were buying my CDs and listening to my music, it was like teenage boys and young men. Sort of like 14 to 25, probably 80 to 90% of my audience was within that demographic. Now, as I've gotten older, I'm 38 years old now. As I've gotten older, my audience has also gotten older with me for the most part, but a lot of young people, young men and women, follow me online, see what I post, listen to my podcast, music, all the different stuff that I do.
(02:17) And when I think about generations, uh, it's it's fascinating because generations always have their similarities and they have their they have their differences, of course, because the world moves on, culture changes, politics changes, the economy changes, what's happening nationally, internationally. It's always changing.
(02:35) Technology is evolving. And I find something that happens between generations is they like to point the fingers of blame at each other. Just like humanity always likes to point the finger, right? You know, men want to blame women, women want to blame men, boomers want to blame millennials, millennials want to blame boo.
(02:55) You're like, you you can always point the finger in different directions and sometimes there's grains of truth to it and sometimes there aren't. But there's not really any point in talking about a generation without talking about the generations that came before them. So, if older people, whether they're boomers or uh Gen X or they're millennials, if they're complaining about, you know, the young people these days, then it's like, well, who raised them? Who created the culture that they've grown up in? Who were their parents? Who was running the media? Who was in politics? Right? It's
(03:28) always people who are in the older generation. So, you can't really blame like if you're looking at Gen Z for example, um they didn't exactly choose their economic situation, right? Like they they didn't choose the culture that they're inheriting. They didn't choose the state of the world.
(03:45) It's just like, okay, you're born into it. You're raised a certain way and there's all these factors that um there's all these factors that influence it. And I think that now we're in this strange and unique position where we are able to reach hundreds of thousands or millions of people with our platforms via this crazy thing called the internet and social media.
(04:10) Um why not try our best to use that for good? You're a father. I'm a father now. But even before I was even before I became a father, I was an uncle times 10. I've got, you know, 10 nieces and nephews out there. I have lots of friends who have kids. I'm connected to many people. I have hundreds of thousands of young people who follow me online.
(04:35) And I have always just tried to do my best starting with my music and then everything else that I do now to try to nudge people in a positive direction to try to encourage people, inspire them, motivate them, whether that's uh you know working harder, taking better care of their body, being a better critical thinker, exploring Bitcoin, um going to the gym, like what whatever it is, anything that I can offer to people because there's just So much negativity in the world, man.
(05:06) And that's not new. But I think what is new is with the affformentioned technology, we're just bombarded by it all day long, right? You can just open any app and it's just it's it's endless. Like they quite literally have the technology called endless scroll, right? You can you can sit there forever for an eternity. You could just scroll and scroll and scroll.
(05:31) And unless you highly curate your feed, the majority of what you you see is going to be if not directly negative, it's going to be sensational or it's going to be somewhat extreme or it's going to be, you know, cuz that's just how it is. Normal normal doesn't tend to go viral and normal certainly doesn't tend to make the news. So the way I look at it is just look, I've I've got this platform.
(05:49) I've had this platform for a long time and I've always tried to uplift and help people with it in different ways. And when I look at Gen Z in particular, I I think I think just because of the state of technology in particular. Um I feel like they have more opportunities than any previous generation in some ways.
(06:13) Um, but they also have like a lot of rather unique threats and concerns which perhaps you I you know we're I assume we're both millennials like which which we had to deal with to some degree but I think like Gen Z is when it's just going to it's all going to kind of hit them a lot harder and it's already affecting them in ways that maybe we were able to slightly dodge or only get uh grazed by.
(06:41) So the reason I wanted to write that article was just to condense the information that I've gathered in the 20 years of my adult life and you know maybe some of my life before that and just um put something out there that can live on the internet forever and a young person or even an old person.
(07:05) It doesn't even have to be a young man, but you know, mostly, you know, a young man can stumble across it or or seek it out and just get some type of guidance or orientation and some encouragement as well. I I think it's very important to real for people to realize that there's hope. I think it's really popular now to uh sort of be a doomer and to to try to blackpill everyone and just, you know, everything's terrible and it's the end and societ like that's always going to get clicks. it's always going to get views. You can actually monetize that pretty well.
(07:35) But if that is your mentality, number one, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. And number two is it just doesn't tangibly help anyone. It might make them feel heard or seen, right? It might be kind of cathartic to just, you know, we all know misery loves company and, you know, just to complain and to want to tear it down or whatever.
(07:55) um you know that might make people feel good in the short term, but ultimately it's it's a message of despair. It's telling people that there's no hope. It's telling people that no matter what they do, the future is going to be worse. And that's, you know, to me, that's not even just a negative message.
(08:11) That's like a, if I can use a very strong term, that's like a demonic message. Like if Yeah. Like if you're telling people that no matter no matter what you do, like it's just going to suck and the future is going to be terrible and it's bad. I mean, so many millennials believe that message that they refuse to freaking reproduce.
(08:37) Like how dark can you go? I'm sure you've come across people who say things like, "Oh, you know, like why would you want to why would you want to bring a child into this world? You know, I'd never like it's like what are you what are you talking about?" People were having babies during the Great Depression, World War I, World War II, all sorts of horrible times throughout history. People were always having children.
(08:54) And suddenly in 2024, 2025, people are like, "Yeah, you know what? The the world is so bad that I don't even want to continue my genetic legacy." And that's um I mean, if you think of what we're ultimately here for, that's like a really extreme conclusion to reach. So, I don't want Gen Z going down. I don't want them taking that path.
(09:16) So, I I wanted to put something out there just to uh encourage and help people. Yeah. Everybody should go follow Never Doom Pro on X. Never Doom. It's uh you manifest these these bad if you're just completely doom scrolling. We were saying like the endless scroll. It's funny like the nomenclature has evolved to the fact where we have the term doom scrolling which is you wake up and you just let the algo feed you the doom. And that like you said it is demonic to a certain extent where you like your the way you perceive yourself
(09:47) and what you think is how you see the world and like you got you got to inject good thoughts. And I I think it's particularly important to get this message out to Gen Z right now cuz as millennials to your point, I think we're at this really interesting inflection point.
(10:06) And in some ways, our generation was the first out the door where we were taught growing up, go to school, get your degree, get a good job, you'll get a good salary, and have a good life. And that completely did not come true for much of our generation. And I think Gen Z is at a point or Gen we're at a point society where Gen Z can sort of see what happened to us and there's a fork in the road for them.
(10:33) They can either let the doom take over their life, be nihilistic and degenerate, hedonistic, whatever it may be. Or recognize that despite the fact that things may seem a bit chaotic uh economically, it's not as easy to get ahead. Uh there's a lot of social strife, geopolitical issues, whatever it may be. It's like it's like the the two guys on the bus meeting, the one looking at the mountain and the one looking at the sun.
(10:58) Like the it's two sides of it's two sides of a coin. You can decide to doom and immerse yourself in that negativity or recognize that there's incredible potential and opportunity moving forward. For sure, man. And um jumping off the last point you said there, I I I think it's so important for people to realize that in in Gen Z like they also have so many advantages.
(11:22) This is the thing like people want to focus on the negative and the negative is very real. The economic circumstances are real. Like the housing real estate situation is real. The crazy inflation is real. um some of the conflicts going on between young men and women and the way they're diverging like that is real.
(11:41) There's a lot of stuff that is um you know I could spend all day talking about talking about the problems. I could probably write write a book about it but at the same time the opportunities they have are ridiculous. Like if I think of the Gen Z men I actually know and I obviously have like a biased circle um but the ones I know are like they are so far ahead of the game like it it's it's crazy because they are just able to like connect with people.
(12:13) I mean I've had people multiple people who have like passed through Dubai where I live over the last year say um you know like I can specifically think of like a guy who was 18, a guy who was like 21, another guy who was like in his mid20s and they literally DM me and they're like hey Zubie I'm in Dubai like I'd love to you know like meet up and like if you're free like let's go for lunch. And I'm sitting there and I'm like and and and it it's like it was like that easy.
(12:34) You know what I mean? And now they're just sitting there and connecting with me and they're connecting with like other people who they follow on online who they like and they respect and they're just telling me about all the stuff they're doing. And I'm like, geez, like when I was I wish I had that opportunity when I was 19.
(12:50) I wish I could just like send a message to someone I look up to or I admire who's like a couple decades my senior and just just have coffee with them or just even just follow them online and listen to their thoughts and consume the stuff they're putting out there whether it's podcasts or it's YouTube videos or it's writing or it's book and it's just and it's just free or it's very cheap.
(13:18) um you know we we had a little bit of that as we got older but we certainly didn't grow up with so much information at our fingertips. So the question is really what is the information you're going to consume cuz you can go down one side as you said and you can you can spend forever on the problems right like there's a lot of reason to be angry there's a lot of reason to be upset to feel resentful to feel like all of these doors have been closed on us but there's also there are also so many doors that are just that are just open um I mean we're both we're both we're both bitcoiners right I mean like imagine being like a teenager who's
(13:53) able to like learn about this and like have the opportunity like I'm like gosh man I wish I mean I'm glad we have the opportunity as millennials. Um, but this is just such a a gigantic o this thing didn't even exist. Like 20 years ago, it didn't it didn't exist at all, right? It was it wasn't on the radar.
(14:10) It was it was not a thing. So, yes, it's true. Maybe you're not going to make money in the in real estate like your like your boomer grandparents or great-grandparents in some cases did. Um, but what about these whole new realms that are opening? What about the fact that you have people who are quite literally in their teens or in their early 20s and they have followings of like hundreds of thousands or even millions of people online and they're able to like promote stuff to people and they're able to get their ideas out there and they're able
(14:43) to do this and that and it's all the same technology. It's just like what are you choosing to do with it? Everyone's got a smartphone. Everyone's got an internet connection. Everyone's got mobile data. So what are you going to do? are you going to choose to take this path or or that path? And and that's not just a question for the younger people.
(15:00) I mean, it's true of it's true of people of all ages. It's just like the the tools and the access to knowledge has never been greater. It's never been greater. The access to people, it's never ever in human history been easier to connect with other people.
(15:18) Doesn't matter where they live, doesn't matter the country, it doesn't matter their age, it doesn't matter what sector they're in. And even if you're not able to make a personal connection, you can still follow them. You can still subscribe to them. You can still like get their thoughts on a daily, weekly basis. Um, you know, we we had books. Books have existed for a long time and books are great, but um, you know, we we we didn't have these opportunities when we were teenagers.
(15:45) So yeah, I think I think those the people in Gen Z who are able to see and focus on the opportunity and think, hm, okay, given what I do have at my disposal, how can I become the best person and how can I best utilize this? I think they're going to succeed at an insane level even beyond uh what the sort of best of millennials were able to achieve.
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(18:39) I want to touch on like many points there and tie it back to your piece too, the 12 pieces of advice because like you said like the Gen Z gentlemen in your life that you've met like incredible go-getters. And I I have similar experience. We're building uh we've built a browser extension that converts fiat prices to Bitcoin called Opportunity Cost. And I've worked with a 19-year-old kid to build this.
(19:01) And he was like homeschooled, never went to college. He's been a software developer for 10 years. And it's been incredibly fun for me as a 34year-old working with this 19-year-old on this project. And seeing how he's approaching it and like how he's succeeding uh as as a Gen Z individual.
(19:21) And one of the points that you make in your piece is like be very conscious of who you surround yourself with. And I I think that's one of the most important pieces of advice they could give the younger generations cuz like it all these technologies and whether it's Bitcoin you see and this kid's a Bitcoiner, he gets Bitcoin. He hasn't fallen down the crypto rabbit hole.
(19:45) He's not doing meme coins and all that. like in all these areas, who you surround yourself with and what you focus on is incredibly important and how you filter your information and find the people you should surround yourself with is incredibly important. So, I want to touch on that.
(20:04) Who you surround yourself with and then give one piece of advice to any Gen Z out there who uses X. I don't know if Tik Tok can do it, but use filters. Create list and use filters and make sure you're getting the best information. Yeah. Um, you know, it's interesting you you brought that point up, Marty, because do you know what the three uh most controversial things on that list were based on the on the feedback from the thousands of people that read it? I I could have actually predicted this.
(20:29) Um, one was the one you just said, you know, be careful of who you surround yourselves with. That one, uh, I got some push back on that one. Um, the one was, uh, you know, follow God's laws. Of course, I knew I'd get push back on that one. And the third one was the Bitcoin one.
(20:49) Those were the three that had the most uh that had the most push back and disagreement which is kind of kind of fascinating. Um so the idea that um you know people are some people took offense to the idea that you should not uh surround yourself with people who are engaging in destructive and reckless or just bad bad behavior in general. Um, I I I find that kind of fascinating because it's one of those things that's so it's it's so it's so obvious, but maybe it I guess I guess it hurts some people's feelings. Um, why Yeah.
(21:24) Why do you think that is? Do you think that cuz there's this pull to the hedonistic degenerate that people succumb to and they don't want to admit that it's not good or Yeah. You know, I think um modern western society in particular, you know, our nations like the UK, USA, certainly Canada, um I think the I think people have I think they've overcorrected in many ways over our lifetimes.
(21:48) And I think one of those is the idea that any form of judgment is like bad. That you're just never supposed to judge anyone or anything, right? you're always supposed to be compassionate and empathetic to the point of, you know, bending over backwards and twisting yourself into pretzels and not essentially not having standards.
(22:16) All right? So, I mean, you can see this for example in, I don't know, say say a conversation about like physical health and like the situation going on with obesity, right? Like you're not meant to just say things as they are. you're meant to be like, uh, you know, don't say that word, you have to use this word, you can't say this, you have to say that, like you have to like to the point where the the truth is just muddled.
(22:41) And the idea that something like a health standard or like a physical standard should even exist is very offensive to people. Um, in the world of, you know, we we've actually seen a little bit of this week because it's been going viral, but like even the concept of like beauty standards, right? Particularly in the world of like women and modeling and stuff like the idea that there is like an attractive look, right? An attractive body type.
(23:03) It's like no, no, no. You can be healthy at any size. You can be beautiful at any size. You can be this, right? Like so like anything that has like a a judgment or a standard that is not easy for every single person to meet, which by definition a standard, you know, it can't be easy for everyone to meet.
(23:27) I think people get offended by that idea in itself. So I think it's like an over it's like a massive overcorrection of compassion or empathy. Like I agree that we shouldn't be like mean and cruel to people. I'm not suggesting insulting or attacking anyone, but if we're going to survive as a species and if we're going to thrive as a society, there have to be standards, right? Like you have to be able to objectively say like it's better to do X than to do Y, right? It's better to be it's better to have a 100,000 net worth than be 100,000 in debt. Like it's better to um you know
(24:09) you you're you're married with two kids, third on the way, right? like that is better than you having three baby mamas and three kids from three different women. Like that is better, right? Like you have to be able to say these it's better to be physically healthy than not to be.
(24:33) Um, so yeah, I I think that's kind of what's at the root of that cuz it's it's something that I've just observed particularly over the past decade. But I think going beyond that, um, it's where like a lot of the political correctness stuff also goes off the rails because everyone again is trying to kind of do this gymnastics and flex around so much to to to not just kind of say something say something as it is.
(24:56) Um, and I think we I think society is is is seriously suffering as a result because it's difficult to have any honest conversations without somebody somewhere being offended. And if you're constantly worried about ever offending someone, then over time you just become a liar. You either become a liar or a coward because you you can't say anything because it's like, oh well, what if someone takes it that way? What if someone takes this the wrong way? Right? as you know, even just talking about Bitcoin, like you're going to offend
(25:25) someone, right? There's going to be someone out there who, I don't know, they they're there's they're they're super into stocks or they're just a real estate junkie or they're a gold bug or they think that uh crypto is a Bitcoin is just crypto and crypto is all a scam and what like you know, people people are going to have their opinions and um and that's fine. I'm just voicing my own opinions as well. People are free to disagree with me.
(25:50) Um, but yeah, coming back to the core point, we all know, look, birds of a feather flock together. Many people say that, what's that phrase? You know, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. And there's a lot of truth to these type of things.
(26:05) Um, lo and behold, most successful people, however you're defining success, most successful people surround themselves with other successful people. And most I'm going to just say losers. And when I say that, I don't mean someone who's hasn't yet achieved success. I'm talking more about their mentality. Um, or people who are just negative tend to hang out with people like that.
(26:24) Drug addicts tend to hang out with other drug addicts. Alcoholics tend to hang out with other alcoholics. Like, that's just how human beings are. So, if you're someone who does want to succeed and does want to excel and does want to stay out of trouble, yeah, I don't recommend um you know, hanging out with people who are not aligned with that at all and people who can even get you in trouble or get you involved in bad habits or pull you into something which you don't want to be in. Because even if you are a straight shooter, but you're hanging
(26:56) around with degenerates or you're hanging around with even criminals, uh you know, you're going to get roped into something. You're going to get roped into something at some point. There's going to be some type of negative externality that um that that hits you. So that was the reason for for that single point.
(27:12) I think for young men in particular, um they're they're they're quite liable for that to for that to happen, especially if they don't have good parental guidance. I think teenage boys, young men, they're the most likely to kind of get caught up in some of these things, particularly criminal or even as it pertains to vices, gambling, drugs, uh, alcoholism, these types of things. Um, young men in particular, I think, are are susceptible of that.
(27:39) So, yeah, my my simple advice to them is to be to be cautious of that. No, it explicitly ties into another point you make piece of advice which is don't make a big mistake. Avoid the big mistake. Yeah, huge one. That's actually the the the one I normally sometimes um like if if someone comes up to me in public like a you know kid or a teenager or whatever and uh I I've had I've actually had it many times where they say like if you could give like can you give me like one piece of advice or like one word of encouragement. That's actually normally
(28:10) the one I give them. Um, it's it's it's normally the one it's not like something to do per se. It's more like just don't like don't fall into one of these pitfalls that so many millions of men have fallen into. Um, cuz mo most mistakes are temporal.
(28:34) There aren't that many things in life where oh, you know, you make this mistake and it's going to permanently make life more difficult for you. But there are some, you know, if you get, I don't know, if you commit a felony when you're 18 years old and now for the rest of your life until the day you die, you've got that criminal record. You've got that mark every time your name every time you're searched for, every time it comes up, you've got that on your name, it's going to make life it's going to make life harder for you. Um, doesn't mean you can't still become successful. doesn't mean you can't succeed, but it's it's it's going
(29:04) to be harder if you hit the age of 30 and um you know and and I know people who have done this. I know I know guys who are like 30 years old and they have like you know two three kids from two two three different women and um it's complicated, right? It's it's just really complicated for them and it's always going to be like it's going to be true a decade from now, two decades from now, three decades from now, they're still going to have that situation.
(29:33) And um again, it doesn't mean like oh your your life is over. It's it's just it's just complicated. It's just complicated. Um and these are things that you can you can easily avoid. Um if you hit 30 and you're you racked up 100 six figures in debt, can you come back from it? Yeah, of course. But your life is going to be more limited. You're going to struggle. You're not going to be able to do certain things.
(30:00) you might be able to otherwise um certain doors are going to be closed to you. It's just it's just hard. These are this the situations where it's just like look if you can um to be honest that that third that last one is probably is probably like the better it's probably a better situation than the other two in many ways.
(30:18) But um yeah, I just discourage guys from getting involved in that. Al also I think it's important to say it as well because like the culture doesn't really tell you that um sadly I mean maybe it depends a lot on where you grow up and who your parents are and what you're surrounded by but there are certainly a lot of pockets of society a lot of communities a lot of cultures um in the USA in the UK in our countries where you know people don't really get that lesson in fact sometimes they even get the opposite like they lit they literally will get the opposite it lesson. They'll be around people who think it's like
(30:55) cool to commit crime or it's cool to go to prison or it's cool to um you know have a bunch of kids from a bunch of different women or what and it's just like yeah that's um that that that's not healthy.
(31:15) It's not healthy messaging and all you're doing is you know making life difficult for people making their lives more complicated than they need to be. Not only that but just wasting your own life. Okay. I think that's one thing especially when you have children you and they begin to get older and you'll realize this in years but the time flies. There's nothing scarcer than time. You talk about Bitcoin only ever be 21 million extremely scarce.
(31:34) The only thing scarcer than Bitcoin is your time. And if you're wasting it by making these big mistakes, which if you make one big mistake early in your life, it's going to eat up your time in the future. and like avoiding that big mistake, whether it's debt, multiple baby mamas, an addiction, crime, like you're just you're taking away your future time from you, which is extremely scarce. Huge huge opportunity cost.
(32:01) Yeah. And and it's funny because you have to you have to sort of juxtapose avoid the big mistake with make a bunch of small but good mistakes by testing things out. And I I think that's another thing that I feel very fortunate of is I was not afraid to take risk in my early 20s and I didn't figure out what I wanted to do or what my path was until my mid to late 20s where I got a good job at a at a hedge fund out of college was a very good trajectory, but I just could not stomach sitting in a cube crunching Excel all day. And I decided to quit on
(32:41) a whim and go learn about tech. But then for like 5 years I meandered and sort of was aimless making a bunch of small mistakes trying to figure out what I wanted to do. Um but I think it's also just as important uh avoid the big mistake but make a bunch of small mistakes and don't be afraid to take risk to find out what you want to do.
(33:00) You bring up such an interesting point there Marty. It's almost like um take risks but be very judicious in what they are because all all the negative things I mentioned I mean those are all like high-risisk those are all high-risisk behaviors but they're not um they're not conducive to your success. So, if you are someone who's got that natural risk-taking personality, which I think most young men in particular do, then yeah, just just be wise about it.
(33:33) Like, use that energy for the right things. In the same way, you should channel your aggression and channel your competitive nature into things that are productive rather than things that are destructive. that same energy that comes from the, you know, testosterone that's like surging surging through your body.
(33:53) There are very destructive manifestations of it and there are incredibly productive ones. So instead of destroying build Yeah. And there's never been a better time to build, too. I we've been talking about social media accessibility to individuals, uh, DMs being open, and even if the DMs aren't open, just being able to, uh, receive the broadcast of their thoughts and learn from them in that way.
(34:22) Like the tools to actually build and be productive have never been more accessible, cheaper, or powerful than they are today. And I think that's when we when we get into the overarching theme of your piece and why we're here talking today, it's just like that's why I wanted to bring you on is really drive home to anybody in Gen Z listening like the opportunity is massive and it's a double-edged sword.
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(35:46) uh born and raised with the Catholic school, went to Catholic high school, went to Catholic college, grew up going to church, got a bit jaded uh because of the uh the Catholic priest uh diddling uh situation here in the United States and in other parts of the world. Uh I wouldn't say I ever went like full atheism, but I definitely stopped going to church for a period of time there.
(36:06) But then got married, started having children, and my wife and I started having these hard conversations. Not hard conversations, but like honest, open conversations about how we want to raise our children when it comes to faith. And we really fell back to like the ten commandments just make sense to us. Like we we distilled it down to the ten commandments.
(36:32) like if if our boys and future children live by the ten commandments like we should strive to live by the ten commandments and we think it's worthwhile to imbue that message to our children too. I think this is very important and it's so simple but it for some reason it's controversial. Yeah.
(36:55) Well, I think um man, you know, I I keep coming back to like this thing about the West, and it's because the West is in such an odd position right now. It's true of pretty much every country in Western Europe, certainly the USA, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada. They're they're in the very strange position where these countries are all um they're all traditionally Christian countries and to this day uh Christianity would be the I guess num number one religion in them in terms of what people believe they what people would say they're uh at least affiliated um to they have obviously like all their churches if you look at most of the hospitals in these nations lots of them
(37:42) are going to be named after you know Saint this Saint that even a lot of the colleges and universities and schools and even the legal systems and people's beliefs are so heavily influenced by by by Christian teachings. Um I know in the USA for example I mean in the US in particular I think over 60% of Americans to this day consider themselves Christian.
(38:12) Um, but then you look at the culture and you look at the media and you look at certain things going on and you're like, uh, this isn't really sort of striking me as a majority Christian country. There seems to be a, what's the word? a paradox here where like things don't quite seem to be lining up and where the look the the the truth is that the dominant culture in our countries now is actually I'd call it like secular progressivism is really the dominant culture and the reason I know that that is true is because espousing a traditional Christian viewpoint point um is considered more controversial and is
(38:59) more likely to upset people than espousing like a typical boilerplate like secular progressive view. Um to see the most obvious example of this, you could look at how the attitude towards so-called samesex marriage has changed even over the last 20 years. Right? So if you go back 20 years ago, even the Democrats, right, the Democrats in the US were like, "No, no, we don't support that.
(39:27) " Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, they're like, "No, marriage is between a man and a woman." All of human history, all of the existence of the US, all the existence of the entire world, um, everyone's understood marriage, you know, between a man and a woman. It's not even just explicitly a Christian thing. But certainly in the entire Christian world, that was the case.
(39:47) And it all changed like in what the last 15 years. Whereas now if I were to go on like I don't know um on if I were to go on TV and they asked me my views and I said yeah you know mar marriage is just between a man and a woman or they asked me if I support you know gay marriage or whatever and I've said no like that would be what would be controversial.
(40:07) If if if I wanted to play it safe I'd be like oh yeah that's fine. You know love is love or whatever. You know that'll get me the claps. That'll get me the applause. Um, and so you can actually we we we have lived through the switch. I use that example because I think it's like one of the most obvious ones. Um, being pro-life opposing the killing of children in the womb is more controversial than supporting it.
(40:29) Um, does that sound like a Christian country? I mean, like on the sub on the subject of demonic forces, like the the the pro-choice movement is one like literally murdering human life. Yeah. There we go. Right. But but saying that is like I know when I say that like oh my gosh someone might hear that and be like oh my gosh this guy's like a far right or he's like hardcore conservative or he's like a and I'm just like this this is not even um like this is not the fact that that is even considered like a sort of really polarizing a sort of extreme view. I mean that kind of shows
(41:04) how far how far it's gone. So coming coming back to the uh the point of the piece and based on what you just told me about like your own faith journey and life trajectory, I think it's a really common one for millennials. Um and maybe it's just because we're at that sort of I don't No, I think I think millennials like we're we're the last generation that sort of had the uh we lived pretty much half of our lives without the internet, smartphones and social media and the other half with I think we've been through this disruption and it's affected us in a lot of ways
(41:41) and I think a lot of us were kind of encouraged on one hand to follow tradition and do what our parents and our ancestors did and to follow this path but then the media and the culture and even the schools and the universities and so many people it's like no just like you know totally pursue your own path like you're completely individual like you're totally free like you know throw off the shackles do whatever makes you feel good do and and so I think um a lot of us a lot of people in our generation kind of
(42:14) start started in one place a little more like conservative shall we say for lack of a better term and then in your teens and your young adulthood as you naturally start to question things more which is very natural and you start to explore and experiment and so on and you kind of go through one way and then there's this funny thing that often happens where based on your own experiences and your own observations and observing other people and seeing how things are panning out for people as you get into your your late 20s, your 30s and you're seeing people who have taken all of these different paths And
(42:55) for for so many people, it kind of it kind of comes full circle where you're kind of back to like, "Oh, that's why that rule existed. Oh, that's what happens when you stray away from this. Oh, that's why my parents always said this. Oh, that's why in the book it says to to to do this and to not do this.
(43:14) " Um, it's not just because they want to like, you know, be oppressive or clamp down on people's freedom or stop people having fun or whatever. It's because, you know, there's a there there's someone up there who who understands the world better than we do. And all of these people who have come before us, they weren't necessarily like uh I, you know, CS Lewis called it chronological snobbery, right? the idea that modern people always think that they're so much smarter and better than people who came before them. Um, and we're really not.
(43:48) Um, you know, sometimes I'll see like a post going viral on social media and it'll be like someone having a realization of something that people have like known for thousands of years. I don't know, maybe it's someone who's been like super promiscuous and they've been sleeping around a whole bunch or whatever and then they're like, "You know what? like I've recently like been monogous and like I feel so much better.
(44:09) Like my mental health is better. Yeah. You know, like those those types of posts and you're just a bit like oh boy. Like human beings are so funny. But this is nothing new. I mean even in the Old Testament there's the constant rebellion and people coming back and rebellion and people coming back.
(44:27) Um and you know you you can live your life just by a few simple rules and it it it works. Um, one of the biggest conversations that's happening now, and this is big on for Gen Z as well, is um, you know, this whole conversation about like mental health and everyone's like, why is mental health declining? Why are young people so anxious? Why are they so depressed? Why there's this and this? And sure, there's multiple factors going on, but the one that people again want to dodge is like the spiritual component. Um,
(44:59) people want to talk about food and they want to talk about smartphones and they want to talk about screens and they want to talk about the economy and you can talk about all those things with no controversy. But, you know, if you say the G-word, if you say God and you say, you know, people have abandoned God and they're trying to do it their own way, um, then, you know, people will kind of give you a little bit of a side eye.
(45:25) And that's so clearly one of the main factors that's happening. And something that's kind of funny about it is even when you look at um for people who are obsessed with studies even even like there have been many secular studies from like non-religious organizations and they still show that like religious people on average are happier, less likely to be depressed, um more likely to have kids and be happy about it, more likely to be happy, like like almost any indicator of a healthy human being.
(45:58) It's like, you know, those people who are still going to church and still getting married and still having kids and still kind of just living more traditionally. Um, the generally speaking, they're they're better off by all these measures. So a and you know I think maybe one point here is I think something that's kind of fascinating and a little bit amusing about it is even if I even if I just think of people I know or people who I'm acquainted with which is a pretty large sample size even those who are not
(46:34) religious or even are explicitly atheist the ones who tend to be like genuinely uh joyful and happy and thriving long term they still follow they still follow God's laws like they they tend to live quite um like their their beliefs about the world are not are not religious or Christian per se but like the way they actually live and the things they actually do and their basic sort of moral tenets are very much aligned actually with the value system. So whether they've kind of taken it and they've removed the god part or you know
(47:12) they feel like they've somehow derived it another way um it still it still remains true. So regardless of like someone's individual theology the behaviors themselves um are very much inigned with human thriving and well-being both on an individual and a collective level. Yeah. on the subject of like mental health being a subject.
(47:40) I saw a great tweet like why is mental health at an all-time high? Why is anxiousness at an all-time high? And somebody's like it's it's it can be distilled into like people have this subconscious recognition that they're not living up to their true potential because they're doing these degenerate hedonistic lazy things and they're not not living up to their full potential.
(48:02) And if you dig into the things that they're doing instead of living up to their potential, whether it's hedonistic, degenerate, or lazy, like you're you're sort of confront you're avoiding God's law by doing those things. like a layer below that that explanation is like living to God's law, like being a good person, being productive, treating your neighbor well, raising a family.
(48:29) And and to your point about like people being viscerally reactive to people sort of pointing like, "Hey, you're not living by God's law. This is why you're having these problems." And they sort of lash out. I don't want to get too esoteric. That's like the demons lashing out like no like I I want to keep doing this stuff.
(48:47) I don't want to I don't want to recognize that it is because I'm not living within God's law that I'm having all these problems. And you sort of had like this demonic sort of reaction to it or the the inner demons are like trying to pull you back towards the hedonistic stuff. And I don't know if that's too heady, but that's that's sort of the way I Not not not for me. Not for me. Yeah.
(49:09) And I and I think um look I I I think in uh I think this is another area I I the data is very like hazy on this one. I've seen it kind of go both directions, but it also looks like Gen Z are kind of waking up to this one as well. I've seen some points of data that seem to point out that Gen Z are starting to like go back to church more and are more interested actually in um traditional Christianity and even other faiths.
(49:36) So again, I I think what Gen Z can do is they can just look up. They can look up at millennials, Gen X, uh boomers, and you've got billions of people who have taken all of these different paths. And it's always helpful to just look up and be like, okay, what do I want to emulate? Um where do I want to be, you know, when I'm 30, when I'm 40, when I'm 50, when I'm 70, when I'm 80? Because often times when when we're in our 20s or in our teens, we tend to only think about the first half of our lives. I think most people think about what their
(50:10) life is going to look like up until like 40, maybe 50. Not a lot of people think, okay, what's what do I want my life to look like between 50 and 100? Very few people think about that. Like we have this short-term bias. And again, if the decisions you make, it's kind of it's kind of a scary thought, right? Like the decisions you make in your 20s and 30s in particular, but also your 40s, like those are really going to set up what the second half of your life looks like. So, no one has to no one has to have children, right? Like I'm not
(50:45) I'm not forcing anyone to have kids, but if you choose not to um then someone should really like really really think about what that means cuz you're not only choosing not to be a parent, you're also choosing never to be a grandparent, right? You're choosing uh you're you're closing off a lot of potential avenues.
(51:11) Um so if I look at my parents for example, my parents have been married almost 50 years. Uh they have five kids, 11 grandkids now. Uh my dad is approaching 80, my mom is 70. And if I look at like what keeps them going, what energizes them, what keeps them youthful, what brings a smile to their face, what they feel uh what what they feel are their biggest accomplishments and so on in in their uh older years, it all comes down to family like like entirely. My dad has a great career, you know, he's a successful doctor for five decades. Um, but it's just like, yeah,
(51:50) the the family obviously and it keeps them young, it keeps them active, it keeps them youthful. So, are there some people who have like really thought of this and they're like, you know what, I'm happy to be a 60, 70, 80 year old man or woman with like, you know, and not have family around me.
(52:09) Okay? You know, if that's really if that's really what you choose, then fair enough. But I think um I I just think in our very like sort of shortterm short-term thinking culture, uh a lot of people have never even really thought of that. They haven't really thought, okay, even just the idea that by choosing not to be a parent, you're also choosing not to be a grandparent, right? Like you you're just closing you're closing that door of that potential human experience.
(52:34) Um that's a pretty big deal. I don't think that's a I don't think that's a decision you should make real like lightly. Um I I think people should really really think about that. And yeah, there's always going to be a minority. There's always going to be people who are exceptions who are like, "Okay, cool." Like, "This is the path that you want to take.
(52:50) " But for the vast majority of people, I'd wager like for 90% of people um you know, 90 90 to 95% of people, it's probably not the um it's probably not the best long-term path for them. um very similarly uh I'm sure you know you see lots of conversations about dating and relationships and marriage and this and this and this um and it's like look even as a man with your sort of like longer biological clock shall we say um you know do you want to be like 50 60 70 and you're still just like living the bachelor life I mean may maybe you do right there's there's a going to be a
(53:32) small percentage of guys out there who like that's, you know, they're they're just they're kind of wired that way. But in reality, like again, if you look at elderly people, if you, you know, most of them, the ones who are happiest, the ones who feel most fulfilled, the ones who feel least lonely, you know, typically like they've they've got someone, they've they they've got people.
(53:57) So look, if if something has been done for like thousands and thousands and thousands of years, it doesn't always mean it's a good idea, but normally there's a reason for it, right? If someone has if something's just existed and it's just persisted in humanity and it seems to have like helped people, there's normally a good reason for it.
(54:14) So before like totally rejecting it or closing that door, I would encourage people to at least like really really really think really really think about it like why why does this exist? Um and maybe maybe maybe you're so exceptional that you can assue multiple of these things and you'll still be fine and you'll thrive.
(54:34) But um statistically probably not. So yeah, I won't belabor the point. Well, I'll belabor it for you because I was uh I was singing like just last night. Uh and we're very fortunate. We're at the Jersey Shore right now. It's tradition and not only my family, my wife's family come down here in the summer and it's typically multigenerational houses.
(54:58) So, we're living with her parents in a house right now. And last night, me and my wife and my mother-in-law are playing mjon. And my mother-in-law's in her mid70s or getting to her mid70s. She would be offended if I said that. But uh it was just like I was sitting there, they were sitting across the table. I was at the end of the table were playing, just chatting.
(55:22) And like I could see the joy that not only my mother-in-law had, but my wife had that they were spending that quality time together. And her grandkids were asleep downstairs. And to your point about look up to millennials, like there is a number of millennials reaching their mid to late30s that are coming to this realization that they did not do this and they're having existential crisis and it's something that as a Jenzer you should try to avoid at all costs.
(55:49) There are people waking up realizing that they wasted their 20s, their early 30s and particularly women don't have the opportunity to sort of buy that back. The the biological clock will not allow it. Yeah. And and and it's amazing because what you just said right there is like one of those it's another one of those taboos. Like it's like you're not you're not supposed to say that.
(56:09) It's like it's not kind to not say that, right? It's not good to mislead generations of young women to like be I' I've heard people be say things like, "Oh, you know, just like wait until like, you know, your late 30s or your 40s." You know, the guys I'm like, what kind of advice is that? like and they'll point again they'll point to exceptions of like oh well so and so had a baby when she was 45 years old so and so celebrity had a baby at 47 and it's like is this really the message you want to be telling like young women in their in their 20s like you're you're setting so
(56:42) many millions of people up for disappointment um and and heartbreak and heartache and this is this is just the reality of it I didn't make it this you didn't make it this way. Like we didn't program the biology of how things work.
(57:04) Um, but I think it's important for people to realize like on this subject in particular, most things I'd say like, you know, life life has different seasons, right? And there are certain things you can only do during certain windows of your life. So if you miss that window, then it's it's gone. Um, lots of things are not like this.
(57:26) There are many things where like you know you can always do it but um you know I'd say this even someone who like really wants to like I don't know travel the world and explore and do some like super active things like you you're there's going to come an age where like you're not able to do it all. Say I don't know you want to go like snowboarding in the Alps.
(57:45) Um you're probably not going to be able to you probably don't want to save that till your 60s or your 70s. Okay? like do that while you're youthful and you've got the energy and you're you can physically do it. Um do those things at this time when it comes to you know have having a family. Um you you don't want to leave that for ever. If you're a woman and you're thinking, "Okay, I'll start thinking about this like when I'm 38 or when I'm 40.
(58:09) " I mean wakeup call. If no one else is going to say it, I'll be like that that's a really horrible it's a really bad idea. Like it doesn't mean there's 0% chance you'll succeed. I know people who have done that and they they've managed to like kind of slide in, but um it it's not a good strategy.
(58:29) Like it's not in the same way like you know some people win the lottery but like I don't think it's a good strategy to like not work and just keep buying lotto tickets and just keep on waiting for the chance like you know you're going to get that. So yeah, I I I think something that that keeps coming up here, Marty, is like societ we we live in a culture that lies to people a lot.
(58:47) Um that prefers comforting lies to truths that might be like a little bit uncomfortable or which like might offend some people or which not every single personally fits into. Um, there are always going to be exceptions, but if you think of what the purpose of a culture is, it I've never like expressed this thought. I'm kind of thinking like almost like part of what a culture is is to like create a template and a set of expectations and standards and perhaps guidelines for what most people should do, right? So, it doesn't mean that like
(59:22) it's going to work for 100% of people or everything's going to be perfect or there's no exceptions, but it's like, okay, like 80 90% of people, this is if if you if you follow these steps, if you take this path, if you do these things, it's generally going to work out it's generally going to work out pretty well for you. Um, but yeah, I don't know. It's it's a very very interesting conversation.
(59:48) getting back to the Ten Commandments and all that, it's like almost like these books were sort of consensus rules for for society to Yeah. to proliferate and flourish hopefully. And like another thing like going back to the subject of like don't wait like there these seasons of time uh where you should be doing things and talk about like starting a family like I think that's one thing that's counterintuitive too and I think society really pushes the message they push is like when you have kids your life's over. But I've experienced I'm sure you're experiencing it right now there's no
(1:00:23) there's nothing more motivating in the world than having a child. Like people are like, "You have kids, your life's over." It's like, "No." When I had my first son, I locked in harder than I've ever locked in on anything in my life. It was like you look at the kid and you're like, "I got to go do something." And it's incredibly motivating.
(1:00:42) And I think most people are led to believe that, oh, your your life's over. But I really want to stress the point like, no, not only is it not over, but you're going to see that it motivates you and sends you to levels that you didn't even know you could unlock within yourself. Uh, dude, you just brought a thought to my mind. I think that millennials could be the most propagandized generation.
(1:01:02) They really hit us with a lot. Whether it was like the I was seeing some clips on X the other day of like old episodes of Captain Planet. You remember that? There's too many people on the planet, dude.
(1:01:20) Like even as even as a kid, I knew it was like, you know, environmentalism propaganda, but like watching some of it when you're older, you're just like, geez. It's like it's so it's not even subtle. It's like so on the nose. It's just like so antihuman. Um and I don't know. I I I think with across a lot of levels like we just got we got hit with a lot of propaganda through through enter entertainment, music, TV shows.
(1:01:44) Um e even like shows that how would I put it? even shows that I think like people would view as quite like innocuous or movies people would think were quite innocuous and then you kind of watch them back a little bit older with a more critical eye and you're like man like the messaging in this is like the messaging in this is not is is is not good.
(1:02:07) Um, and so I think uh an opportunity Gen Z has is uh again if their eyes are open and they're paying attention and they're switched on, they can dodge they can dodge some of the propaganda. Even the like, you know, you must go to university to uh have any chance of life or to be success like it's it's not true.
(1:02:26) Um I think Gen Z are increasingly seeing like okay it's not true. And I think millennial parents even are like, "Okay, I'm this isn't saying I'm I'm not anti-UN university or anything like that." Um, but the idea that like everyone has to go and like if you don't go then, you know, you're you're not going to make it or what, like it's no, like it's not true.
(1:02:44) Like it's it's a good it's a good thing to tell people if you want to get them, you know, if you want to fill the coffers of uh the the universities and give them their billions, but it's just like, no, that's not um that's not correct, man. We were hit with the freaking food pyramid. Like all all of that. We we got hit with a lot of stuff, man. We got hit with a lot.
(1:03:08) I think Gen Z are going to be like a more more awake to it, let alone all the political stuff. No, there's I mean food pyramid, vaccine schedule, everything was forced on us. And it is and again like to stress that point once like once you have children you're like you you begin like reflecting on all this stuff like very you like zone in on like all right let me do a retrospective on my life and think about how I want my child's life to go moving forward and you have a lot of these realizations like holy crap most of this stuff maybe it's maybe it's not not completely true but there's a lot of like slop in it that that we were fed and led to believe and the mouth
(1:03:49) Izians certainly uh certainly won the first half of the game of our lives, but I I am making it a point to make sure they don't win the the second half of our lives for our generation. And again, really want to stress that point to any Jenzers listening to this like look up to millennials.
(1:04:06) Look forward the generation above you. It is objective. There are people who succumb to that propaganda and sort of live their life uh via the rules that the propaganda set up for them and they regret it massively and you had the opportunity to to skirt that right now. Yeah, that's right. You know, learn learn from others. Don't don't feel like you have to make all the same mistakes.
(1:04:30) Yeah. And last point to touch on, I think it's another very I think all 12 points are very important, but this one hit close to home for me because I I think in my early 20s particularly, I didn't live by this tenant, but take yourself seriously is is very important.
(1:04:52) Um to have confidence, to believe that you're competent and to exude that, to dress nice, to clean up, to be in shape, very important. Yeah, absolutely. you know, right, rightly or wrongly, um, humans actually are a very judgmental species and we see patterns and we make assumptions and everybody has their biases even if we try not to. And one of the most basic ones is um you know human beings are pretty we're very reciprocal and we we make connections in our brains based on how people present themselves both physically and in terms of their behavior. Like if you think of it, okay, if someone's going for a job interview,
(1:05:33) why do you get a haircut and dress nice? Right? If you're someone's going on a first date, like why do you care about what you look? It's because you you people say, you know, you want to make a good impression and um someone might be like, "Oh, well, you know, that's silly. That's superficial." Blah, blah, blah.
(1:05:50) Okay, like you can think that, but it's it's just true. Um and every everybody does it. Even the people who like want to pretend that they don't like we all we all do it to a degree. So, it's just about like showing up in the world and you know in terms of your behavior, in terms of your body language, in terms of your presentation.
(1:06:08) Um, you know, just take take yourself a little bit seriously like it's not um and I think even now more than ever it'll make you stand out because so many people just don't like so many people don't. I mean, go to an airport like in any city in the US, you'll see people in there in their freaking pajamas and flip-flops and just like just looking looking messy.
(1:06:28) Like you see stuff from decades ago and like people just looked better. People presented better, people took themselves more seriously. So if you do buck that trend, um then it's it's an easy way to it's an easy way to stand out. And when I see someone who does that and who clearly respects themselves, you're more likely to to respect them as well because it's just like, okay, this person takes himself seriously, so so will I. This doesn't mean don't have fun. This doesn't mean um don't enjoy your life. This doesn't mean you have to
(1:06:57) wear like a three-piece suit everywhere. That's that's not the point. But just um but yeah, just just just just be serious about it. Like people have all these ideas of things they want to achieve and their goals and their aspirations and they want to do this and they want to do that and it's like okay like believe you're the person who can do this and present yourself like the type of person who could achieve this thing whatever it is. If you're saying you even even like um young people who are like hey I want
(1:07:27) to be a I want to be a YouTuber and look there will be some older people who like dismiss that. I'm like, "No, okay, I don't dismiss that." But like, okay, take it seriously, right? Like, look at the look at the YouTubers that you admire and look up to. I assure you, they are taking it like seriously.
(1:07:46) You might you might not see it in the sort of immediate presentation, but if you if you know what's going on in the background and you're looking at their teams and how they're handling their finances and setting up their scripts and their videos and like, boy, that's a whole operation. Like, they take it very very seriously. So, if that's your aspiration, take it seriously.
(1:08:03) If you're saying, "Hey, I want to be a I don't know, I want to be an NBA basketball player." It's like, "Okay, bro." Like, you'd better take that seriously. Like, you're not going to reach that level just by like messing around and, you know, shooting some hoops here and there. Like, you got to be in the gym daily. You got to be on the court.
(1:08:19) You got to be putting in I don't know how many hours a day. I don't know how many dozens of hours a week, but like you got to take it you got to take it seriously. So, that's that that's all that point is. Um, and I'd also just add to it that it's important for young people to realize that these things compound.
(1:08:37) So, look, if you're in your like 30s or even in your 40s or 50s and you don't feel like you've quote unquote made it yet, it's that's okay. It doesn't mean like your your life is over or something, but if you make good decisions in your 20s, um, it it it makes your 30s easier. If you make good decisions in your 30s, it's going to make your 40s easier, and so on and so forth.
(1:08:57) So the earlier you do some of these things and the earlier you can like lock in certain habits like what something I'm so happy about is that I started going to the gym when I was 15. So like going to the gym for me is like it requires the same level of motivation is showering and brushing my teeth. Some people like oh how do you stay motivated? I'm like it's not even motivation.
(1:09:15) It's just like a it's just a habit. Like I can't it's just it's just what I do. Um and can you build that habit in your 30s if you haven't already? Yeah, absolutely. But the earlier you do some of these things, the easier it is. We're both in the Bitcoin world.
(1:09:34) The earlier you the earlier you learn about it and you start, you know, buying some sats, then the better off you'll be. Yeah, you can wait another 5 years. You can wait another 10 years. You can wait 15 years. It doesn't mean the door's totally closed, but if you wait that long, you'll be thinking, man, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I wish I uh I wish I made these moves.
(1:09:52) So, I encourage people make those moves now. Yeah. And consistency is key. Like, like you said, the gym. That's like one of the best things my father ever did for me and my brother was get us a bench set when I was 13 and just put it in our basement and started lifting. That's another form of propaganda that's been thrown out. You can't have your kids start lifting too early. It's like, no. Like, start early, start often.
(1:10:16) But like, yeah, working out for me is it's like muscle memory. It's like, dude, I'll tell you one of the biggest I'll tell you one of the biggest pieces of propaganda. And it was pushed in it was so subtle, but like the idea that um lifting weights or being like strong and muscular is somehow like inversely correlated with intelligence or even kindness for that matter, right? Like how many shows or cartoons nerd? Yep. Like the the jock Yeah. The jock is the bully. He's mean. He's dumb.
(1:10:48) Um, so you know, you can be like skinny and physically weak and smart, or you can be you can be physically strong and muscular, but then you're going to be like dumb or something. That's another like serious propaganda that we that we got hit with. Um, I think for the I think for girls, it's like, you know, if you're if you're pretty or good-looking, then, you know, you're a bit blond.
(1:11:10) Yeah. And then like you know if you if you're uh you know nerdy and less attractive then you're somehow smarter. I don't know man. They they they hit us with a lot of scups over the years. But um it's quite fascinating to uh see them for what they are. And yeah man. Bro I I'm I'm optimistic about Gen Z.
(1:11:29) I'm optimistic about Gen Z. The type the type of person who at least has the um what's the right word? curiosity or motivation to even look into and follow the type of stuff we're talking about. Just that alone, I'm optimistic for them. The people who are even kind of like seeking this stuff out, um that in itself to me is massively uh it makes me massively optimistic cuz if you're even seeking out this kind of knowledge and these types of perspectives, then I think you're light years ahead of the game. Yeah, I completely agree and I want to
(1:12:06) thank you for writing the piece and it's it's weird how God the universe works in this because I've been like on this tip for like four months now cuz it really stemmed from looking at our YouTube and podcasting demographics and noticing that uh our our core demographics like millennials and Gen X and I was like what are what are the zoomers? So, we did a series on the weekly show that I do where we brought on a bunch of zoomers to get the perspective on Bitcoin and it really like unlocked sort of like a perspective for me. Um, but I don't want to seem like the uh
(1:12:43) paternalistic like worrier, but like I I do think like there is sort of like knowledge transfer to be be had between millennials and Gen Z about like the mistakes they can avoid that we saw many people in our generation make. And I think your piece is an incredibly quick read, straight to the point, and like a good sort of framework for anybody looking to um sort of improve themselves and get off on the right foot to to start with and then stem out from there.
(1:13:14) Yeah. Thank you, Marty. I I'll tell you I'll say one more thing about this and um look, I think guys around our age, like we're the best people positioned to do this in some ways because we're only one generation older, right? like we're we're 15 to I don't know 10 to 20 years older, right? We're not like so far removed that we grew up in like a totally different world or like everything was like so different or we can't even remember what it was like to be in our 20s or anything like that. Like I I think it can be hard for a 20-year-old
(1:13:50) man to sort of take advice from a guy who's in his 50s, 60s, 70s sometimes cuz they're just like you don't you don't get it. Like you don't get it. Like you're you're too you know when I was born you were already like 45. Like you don't get it. Like all the technological changes, all the cultural changes.
(1:14:09) I think with millennials like we mostly we heavily overlap with generation Z. So we can like relate to a lot of what they're talking about and we're not so much like visibly and emotionally older that they're just like, "Oh yeah, those are just like old guys talking about old guys stuff.
(1:14:30) " Like they can look at us and be like, "Oh yeah, like yeah, like I'll listen to that guy. Like he's not like he gets me, you know? He gets me and he's not uh yeah, that's so so I so I think um should we should we choose to accept it?" I think um some of us millennials can make some pretty good headway here in terms of uh trying to not in a overly paternalistic way like you said but you know just trying to offer genuine help and guidance for the guys who are 10 15 you know 10 15 years younger than us.
(1:15:04) Yeah completely agree and again thank you for writing it. Thank you for coming on discussing it. Um, we can't wait 3 years to do another podcast. I feel like we should do this uh within the within the next year because uh it's incredibly thoughtprovoking conversation. Uh, and I love talking to you. So, thank you for writing for coming on. You're crushing it. Nice one, man. Thank you so much. And, uh, congrats on uh, congrats on number three on the way.
(1:15:32) How much longer to go? Uh, a little over a month. It's coming. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, amazing, man. Amazing. Yeah, it's uh it's imminent. We're in we're in the nesting phase, so I love it, man. Well, God bless you and your family, man. I hope uh everything goes smoothly with that. Well, you as well. God bless you.
(1:15:54) Congrats on your first uh like I said, and you're you're going to you're going to quickly begin to realize how fast moves cuz your children make it very very obvious. And uh Yeah, man. See you, man. My my my oldest niece just turned 19, man. So, I feel it already. Yeah. Hey, anybody listening? That's the other thing. Another side.
(1:16:15) I mean, we talked on a little bit, but like don't succumb to the wait to have kids. You have that energy in your 20s and your early 30s. I like now that we have our third, I'm like, God, I wish I started a little bit earlier. But we don't have to belabor it. It's Friday night where you are, Zubie.
(1:16:31) I hope you enjoy it with your family. And uh like I said, we should do this again at some point. Uh not three years from now, but some point earlier than that. No doubt, Marty. Look forward to seeing you again in person sometime. Definitely. Peace and love, freaks. Freaks. Thank you for listening to the show. I hope you liked it. If you did like it, please make sure you subscribe, rate, review the show.
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