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Jonny Vance shows how Bitcoin and grassroots media are reshaping kids' entertainment and challenging Hollywood.
The episode explores how Jonny Vance, co-creator of the Tuttle Twins animated series, is using Bitcoin-inspired principles, Austrian economics, and decentralized media to revolutionize children's education and challenge the cultural dominance of legacy institutions like Hollywood and public schools. Funded by a record-breaking $4.5 million crowdfunding campaign and distributed through Angel Studios’ crowd-approved model, Tuttle Twins delivers values-aligned content that empowers kids with critical thinking skills and a foundational understanding of concepts like inflation and sound money. Vance and host Marty Bent highlight how children, unburdened by institutional conditioning, often grasp these ideas more intuitively than adults, and how the show’s growing global impact, even sparking backlash in Argentina, underscores its ideological influence. As Hollywood suffers under fiat-driven incentives and creative stagnation, Tuttle Twins represents a bottom-up cultural renaissance, with upcoming episodes set to tackle propaganda, overpopulation myths, DEI, and Keynesianism, all designed to prepare the next generation to think freely and independently.
“Who would you rather have babysit your kids, Elmo or Mises?”
“Everyone is propagating ideas. If you’re not going to propagate yours to your kids, someone else will.”
“It’s not far-fetched to see a Bitcoin-backed movie studio surpass a fiat-based one.”
“My son understands Bitcoin better than my father-in-law.”
“Angel Studios was top 10 in the box office last year, and it’s all because they listen to the audience.”
“You don’t need to build a wallet. You can build a cartoon.”
“The food pyramid is a lie… literally a food pyramid scheme.”
“We don't take subsidies. That’s why it takes us longer.”
“Hollywood was built on investment, and later gold. Maybe Bitcoin is the key to rebuilding it.”
“The biggest impact we’ll see from Bitcoin education might come from today’s five- and six-year-olds.”
This episode of TFTC with Jonny Vance highlights how Tuttle Twins and Angel Studios are leading a cultural renewal through decentralized, values-driven storytelling rooted in Bitcoin principles. By rejecting the constraints of fiat-funded Hollywood and public education, they offer parents and creators a powerful alternative for teaching freedom, truth, and low time preference. Rather than just participating in meme warfare, they are building lasting institutions that inspire hope, humor, and a better future, one cartoon at a time.
0:00 - Intro
0:45 - Kids are too smart for slop
6:39 - Tuttle Twins origins and Angel Studios
11:50 - Hollywood is rotten with fiat
18:11 - Bitkey & Opportunity Cost
19:50 - Good propaganda
29:40 - Unchained
30:08 - Creators have a channel
34:07 - Upcoming season topics - population myth
43:37 - Opportunity Cost app
48:06 - Production process
51:40 - Show your kids what you think is right
53:13 - Wrapup
(00:00) disney's operating last year they did like 91 billion in revenue their profit was like five billion they're beholden to Wall Street they're beholden to ESG scores we ended up raising $4.5 million from the crowd everyone is propagating ideas if you're not going to propagate/ teach ideas to your kids someone else will maybe we could change the future of the country with kids who are so much more prepared than we are the clip of somebody from the Tuttle Twins is asking about inflation and you have a bunch of 19 to 22 year olds who can't answer the question you're going to kids aged 6 to
(00:30) 12 that can answer it pretty eloquently and on the spot let's put in lessons from these Austrian economists so kids are equipped with critical thinking skills for the real world johnny Vance welcome to the show thanks Marty so great to be here i don't know if this is bigger for me or for you because uh you have had a direct impact on the education of my two children particularly my older older son but the younger son picks it up too as a writer and director for Tuttle Twins and incredibly educational and based cartoon that uh as
(01:12) a parent I feel comfortable allowing my children to watch so thank you for doing that thanks for having me man i mean we just make this show in a dinky little office and so the fact that it's in people's living rooms is always a surprise to us we just see numbers on a screen and so uh we're like "Wow.
(01:31) " Yeah an honor to be in your living room Marty well that's what I'm curious i mean it's such a great idea cuz I think that's a a big topic particularly in Bitcoin circles but even more broadly with millennial parents and obviously a big topic is screen time uh whether or not you give a kid an iPad where whether you let them watch TV if you do for how long what shows and I think over the last couple of decades the spectrum of content available for kids has become incredibly woke or incredibly dumbed down and it's hard as a parent
(02:12) because sometimes you do need a 30 to an hour break um to get something done and sometimes the screen is the best thing to do if they're tired playing for the day and it's hard to find good content and when Puddle Twins first came out we immediately became guild members and and felt very comfortable putting the boys uh in front of in front of a screen to watch this content cuz it's incredibly educational and more importantly uh its values align with what our val values are as as parents what we'd like to convey to to the boys um about values
(02:50) and um things they should be learning about at a young age that's so awesome yeah i mean yeah I make the show and I limit screen time for my kids and so I'm I'm right in the same boat with you but it's like who would you rather have babysit your kids you know Elmo or Mises you know and uh if they can learn something that can help them in life that's been sort of our guiding north star is let's make this as fun as Phineas and Ferb but let's put in lessons from these Austrian economists or um you know anti-Marxist
(03:25) lessons or kind of reveal things so kids are equipped with critical thinking thinking skills for the real world so it's really cool to see um you found value in what we're doing well I mean to that point too I I think there's a mass misunderstanding of the ability for children to pick up these topics cuz was it last week or two weeks ago I was sending you a video of my son just um for some reason he was like "Daddy take a video i want to talk about Bitcoin." and he was just spitting out facts that he learned from the two Bitcoin focused
(03:58) episodes of Tuttle Twins and as a father as a Bitcoiner I was incredibly impressed at how well he picked up on the themes and the facts around Bitcoin to me I truly believe he has internalized them and intuitively understands the concepts where most people think you need to put your kids in front of like Hot Wheels or uh Paw Patrol whatever it be something that's at their level i think people really underestimate the the ability for young children specifically my son's five to pick up pretty complex topics if it's portrayed in a fun and educational way
(04:38) kids are incredibly smart I think yeah we've just dumbed them down or or or you know underestimated them um my kid was my son is uh six now and we were out fundraising going door to door he was selling some cookies that he'd made and this woman tried to pay him in cash and he was like um I'd prefer not and I said sorry he's worried about inflation um and uh she she's like she was laughing she she ended up being a Tuttle Twins fan but um it's just so crazy how these kids can pick it up so fast and I don't know about you Marty but like I didn't learn many of these principles until
(05:20) post college and so the fact that these kids are being set up like just seeing that video of your son rattle off all these these truths and facts about Bitcoin and inflation is awesome like these kids are miles ahead of where I was growing up and they're they're so set yeah my wife one of her favorite uh sort of Tik Tok clips to send around or Twitter clips is the clip of the man on the street interview on the college campus where um somebody from the Tuttle Twins is asking about inflation and you have a bunch of 19 to 22 year olds who can't answer the question and you're you're going to kids aged 6 to 12 that
(06:00) can answer it pretty eloquently and on the spot it isn't it's insane when when you think about just how dumbed down society's become and again going back to this idea that I think people really underappreciate that children have the capacity to learn and actually want to learn um I remember how excited the boys were when the second Bitcoin episode came out they sat down they watched it once and I think they watched it like two or three times the the days after that but they were like excited to learn more about Bitcoin and really again
(06:37) internalized it and I guess how did how did you get into cartooning and and how did you decide on on this particular sort of medium and and Tuttle Twins the show specifically yeah so Daniel Harmon and I we co-founded Tuttle Twins TV show we'd been at an ad agency called Harmer Brothers that's where I started right out of school and so we were known for viral internet ads so if you remember like the pooping unicorn for Squatty Potty or like Purple Mattress or Lumi Deodorant we'd blown up a lot of brands
(07:13) and made them a lot of money uh but we were just kind of sick of doing it for other people and we were sick of not being able to do storytelling we kind of had this itch for we want to tell stories and uh we had a good friend named Connor Boyak and at the time he'd written these books the Tuttle Twins original series and we approached Connor and we're like Connor we think we can crowdfund a TV show we don't know we don't know what the demand is like but uh you know we have these storytelling chops we can explain things complex
(07:45) things like the pub rectalis muscle in 3 minutes you know we can explain things really simply and we can make them funny what if we made a a kids TV show about tuttle twins and uh you know basically made it the MCU of Tuttle twins and Connor loved the idea and then we launched a crowdfunding campaign like 2019 right before before the pandemic and uh we were shocked to see all the demand that parents had for the show and we ended up raising $4.
(08:18) 5 million from the crowd we broke a record for the most crowdfunded kid show and we were just blown away by oh my gosh there's demand parents want this and so then you know season one was finished or was funded uh and it's been a grind ever since but uh we've now you know completed season 2 season 3 and we're going to be launching season 4 in the fall and it really is all due to these parents who crowdfunded it and continue to support us and uh and and we continue to be beholden to them i think that's a key part is we're serving this audience we're not serving some agenda or some
(08:56) other like metric or some kind of woke checkbox kind of thing we are serving these parents and we're here as a tool for you to teach the principles you already believe in to your kids in an easy and fun way yeah and I I think the the model of Angel Studio is really cool too like I mentioned we're we're guild members and I think in this day and age where you have the behemoths like Disney Netflix Nickelodeon Amazon as well and like finding a unique way to compete and provide optionality for parents looking to get their their kids away from the slop is extremely
(09:35) important totally do you want me to talk go into the angel model like so ang Yeah so like let's describe like the angelist or excuse me the angel studio model and so so traditionally in Hollywood you have kind of this top down very centralized model where you have this room full of executive producers the Kathleen Kennedys of the world green light what they think your kids need right it's very central planning and then you get you know you get the acolyte is what you get from that and you get Snow White and eventually Hollywood has a reckoning
(10:12) you know several years years down the road when they have box office bomb after bomb after bomb um Angel's system is different where it's a bottomup decentralized kind of executive model a bit like Bitcoin where um nothing gets green lit at Angel unless it passes the guild now the guild is a group of 1.
(10:34) 2 million basically subscribers to Angel but they're also kind of executives and how it functions is it's it's the wisdom of the crowds kind of principle where if you read the book the wisdom of the crowds it basically shows that crowds when they're not in a mob when they can think independently they get things right much better than experts so you look at who wants to be a millionaire and ask the audience is more right than ask you know call an expert and it's the same principle here where you know you
(11:05) can show something to these the the 1.2 two million members of the Angel Guild and if they like it it's probably going to do well in theaters it's probably going to do well over the long term and it's just completing this feedback loop that Hollywood has just totally destroyed and so um the end result is I think this last year in 2024 Angel was top 10 in the studio box office uh and their Rotten Tomatoes popcorn meter the audience score is a 95% on average and I think Disney's something like a 74 or something like that so they're the number one in the
(11:44) industry and it's all because they kind of create created it bottom up to listen to the audience yeah and I I it makes a lot of sense to me cuz again going whether it's Tuttle Twins or any of the other content on on Angel i think it's it's information and a media different types of mediums and storylines that people are are thirsting for where like I think uh it was funny seeing the I'm sure you've seen the trailer for Space Balls too and just the like they've made 32 uh Marvel Universe movies they've made how how many uh Star
(12:27) Wars movies over the last three decades it's like it's just a repeat you can tell there's really no creativity in in Hollywood anymore which is ironic considering they're supposed to be one of the major creative forces in the world they've gotten sort of lazy complacent and I guess really industrialized in the sense that they know what inputs will produce certain monetary outputs or at least did for a period of time but as you mentioned seems to be um that that impact seems to be waning as people are like "All right I don't need another superhero movie
(13:00) let's let's let's go on to something new here." Yeah i you know in thinking about it it's hard not to kind of step out of the Bitcoin mindset of fiat ruins everything but I think there's a lot of weight to the idea that fiat has ruined film where you look even like a decade or two ago and movies were just much more high quality like the VFX holds up way better than some of these you know most recent movies and you look at the kind of macro picture These studios operate on razor thin margins they're beholden to Wall
(13:40) Street they're beholden to ESG scores they're beholden to Oscar kind of quotas diversity quotas and um they have to operate at such short you know term thinking such high time preference where I don't know about you my favorite trilogy is The Lord of the Rings and just looking at the Lord of the Rings like even back then granted they had some subsidies too to lessen the economic pressures but they could spend years preparing for that movie for all three movies like there was like chain mail artists who literally spent two years like making 80 million little
(14:17) chains for the for the armor of the movie you know and you just don't have the time or the money the attention to be able to do that today um and so I think as a result we do get lots of you know really lowrisk bets like sequels and reboots and everything and you can't tell original storytelling anymore yeah it's like the one of the themes on X over the last week has been people making fun of the CGI of the the new Super Superman movie it's just like incredibly piss poor and that's like I talked to uh got a couple buddies in the
(14:54) film industry and and that are becoming Bitcoiners and they're like really interested to see how like Bitcoin as a treasury asset on the production company's balance sheet could help them really reorient and get back to low time preference movie making which makes a lot of sense it's like if you have a long-term view like four years I don't I don't know how long it takes to make a movie from beginning to end but if you have a production company it's going to make many movies like deciding to put Bitcoin on your company balance sheet so that you can actually create quality over the long run makes a lot of sense
(15:30) to me and there's really interesting ways that you can finance productions with Bitcoin now as well um the early days but that's something that excites me like equipping production studios directors writers with hard money that allows them to to focus on their craft instead of being pushed into this high velocity uh burn and churn sort of model just to get things out there to to get revenue to make sure that you're outpacing inflation is incredibly exciting it's wild um yeah Angel announced this a few months ago but they have a Bitcoin
(16:07) treasury so Angel Studios I think to my knowledge is the first uh you know studio to have a Bitcoin treasury so I think it's like 300 Bitcoin and counting so far but the long-term vision for that is exactly what you said where um they can have they're calling an endowment for the arts where you could have your operating company but then you could have the Bitcoin treasury so then you can really just you know tell stories that matter i think a lot of people from the Angel crowd know Angel from the Chosen or from Sound of Freedom or
(16:37) Tuttle Twins but they don't and then they look at the Bitcoin play and they're like "What it doesn't look one of these things doesn't make sense." But the the the angel founders are big Bitcoiners they see the future of this they see that you know Hollywood was built on the gold standard and now you know we can go back to that renaissance of good storytelling when you have the time and when you have you know the the money that appreciates faster than inflation so yeah it's exciting just to see you know even in the next 10 years Disney's operating I think last year
(17:10) they did like 91 billion in revenue their their their profit was like 5 billion so they're operating and and most of that's coming from the parks it's not coming from their movies like Snow White didn't help them with their profit so you know it's for us for Bitcoiners just seeing where this is going it's not I mean it might sound crazy now but having a Bitcoinbacked movie studio surpassing a fiat-based uh you know turd maker uh studio um that's not too farfetched no it's really not i didn't realize Hollywood was built on a gold standard
(17:53) yeah back in the day uh yeah bank bankers um well I think actually it was built on investment before they started taking out debt right so the the movie makers had actually they owned their own studios they owned their own theaters and then that was broken up but then they they uh uh leaned into to gold as well so freaks this rip of TFTC was brought to you by our good friends at BitKey bit key makes Bitcoin easy to use and hard to lose it is a hardware wallet that natively embeds into a two or three multisig you have one key on the
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(19:48) app that's opportunitycost.app what uh what is the most rewarding part of of what you're building at Tuttle Twins and cuz it it is I I think for another example um my sister-in-law uh she's in the industry as well and she went to um she went to her my nephew's class for career day and she had to explain Bitcoin and she actually just used a three-minute clip from Tuttle Twins to to sort of convey the message of Bitcoin to uh my nephew's class and she said it was incredibly impactful And uh so it's like it's like little and
(20:29) that and that's the beauty of the guild and just what you build because you can you can produce the show launch it and parents like myself my sister-in-law watch it and like "Oh this is actually valuable." And then you get it out to other kids at career day and I imagine there's many other examples of of similar types of interactions that parents have had with other parents and uh children who have not been exposed to tunnel twins yeah i mean I was saying this before but we just make this in a vacuum where we're just in a you know dinky little office and so it's those stories that
(21:05) definitely make me realize oh my gosh we might be doing something here you know we've heard of kids uh asking their parents for allowance in Bitcoin and the moms being like I don't know how to get you Bitcoin but having to figure it out we've heard of of kids standing up to their their principles and teachers um we had a a tuttle kid who who had a Gadson flag on his backpack and his teacher said that's a sign of slavery and the kid knew his history and said no it's not and and the the teacher the principal absolutely got roasted and the
(21:44) kid was on in the right we had kids during the pandemic who saw our civil disobedience episode and decided not to wear a mask to school and went to the principal's office and so it's like the those kind of stories where we actually see in practice kids building businesses like acting out what they see in the show that's the fuel for us it's just wow um you know maybe we could change the future of the country with kids who are so much more prepared than we are and uh that know frankly a lot more than many politicians so yeah it's it's those
(22:18) little stories that that really fuel us to your last point is something I've been really drawn to since my first son was born is in Bitcoin we think about like you fix the money fix the world and my day-to-day is focused on trying to educate as many people uh about Bitcoin why it's important how it works and how they can use it and our core demo here at TFTC and in the newsletter is I think I believe 45 to 50 year olds so we're talking to Gen X and then our second biggest demo is like 55 to 65 year olds so like eking into the Boomerville uh
(22:56) land uh sort of landscape and I think I've become more convinced that I think the highest leverage biggest return we're going to get in terms of Bitcoin education is Gen Z younger Gen Z and Gen Alpha uh our children and that's another thing just resigning myself to the fact that hey this is going to be a long haul and actually the biggest impact we can have is teaching our children these principles from the get- go and then they grow up internalizing that and applying it to their lives and maybe I could see a future where the the biggest
(23:36) impact in terms of ushering in a Bitcoin standard is the kids who are five and six today actually applying that to their lives and demanding it because they understand these concepts yeah it it's wild i think it's so much easier to teach these principles to kids who have not had to unlearn anything like my son understands Bitcoin no offense but way better than my father-in-law because he he could just clearly see the emperor is naked and doesn't have to backpedal and say "No but the clothes are there they're just transparent." Or
(24:13) you know whatever fiat games adults have to jump through um inflation is necessary for anyways so it's But I mean it's so intuitive just to be first principles focused and kids get it they totally get it yeah and you guys you're I mean you're obviously in Angel Studios now and anybody who's downloading Angel has access to Tuttle Twins but you've got something big working with the country of Argentina which uh I mean when you think about the potential impact um you guys could have with this deal i'll let you describe it uh that's when things get really exciting yeah so I'll choose my words
(24:54) carefully because we've had a massive hate campaign from the socialists in Argentina but um yeah we've been uh working with the country of Argentina to get Tuttle Twins on air um originally when Malay won the election uh he wanted to privatize the public TV in in Argentina and keep in mind this public TV channel called Paka Paka literally showed Marxist propaganda they have like something called Laosa Carl Marx where he's just going around with kids and Karl Marx is just awesome and and so literal Marxist propaganda mele
(25:35) wanted to shut it down the opposition wouldn't let him and so the second best thing is to put Tuttle Twins on the air so uh uh which right now has I mean we've just gotten whole hit pieces written about Tuttle Twins they say you know they use Milton Freriedman they use Hayek and and and they mention a cryptocurrency that Bouetle likes that was supposed to be a dig um and uh anyway so they've done they're they're doing their worst and we thought you know maybe the worst case scenario is that we privatize Argentine television great but uh second best is we can get
(26:11) tuttle twins and these principles of freedom out to millions of Argentine families well this gets to a very interesting conversation uh you mentioned the term Marxist propaganda and that's like that's a whole another concept that like I would love the boys to really understand i think you guys have touched on it too is this whole concept of propaganda grew up to learn that propaganda is a bad thing which when used improperly it certainly can be i would argue that Marxist propaganda is bad because it propagandizes people to do things that are not in their own
(26:46) self-interest or the self-interest of the collective but propaganda is a tool that needs to be wielded uh successfully and meticulously and very in a very focused way by people who want their ideals uh and their principles to be conveyed and adopted uh and so that's something I focus and I I wear it on my sleeve at TFTC like yes I'm I'm I'm putting out propaganda yeah propaganda is effective when utilized and executed correctly and it's something that we need to embrace like I'm trying to propagandize my children
(27:24) via the Tuttle Twins and I'm not afraid to admit it like I think that's where those fed sitters lose the war it's like everyone is propagating ideas if you're not going to propagate slasheach ideas to your kids someone else will like they're going to learn from the public school they're going to learn from whatever garbage is on Disney Plus um somebody's going to propagate it might as well be the ideas that you believe in and that you believe will set them up for success i think we will do an episode on propaganda and and maybe talk you know Ed uh who was it Edward Bernay
(27:57) or something who was kind of the father of modern uh PR/Propaganda and how they uh you know got people to join World War I through some of those films before movies in theaters bring full circle yeah it's something that needs to be embraced more when like and the way to level the playing field to say hey like you just mentioned you're going to be propagandized everywhere accept that fact and join what uh these days would be referred to i think the the propaganda wars are more commonly referred to as meme warfare these days and that's something I think Bitcoiners
(28:34) have done an incredible job of embracing and leaning into and thoughts of uh Bitstein come to mind probably one of Bitcoin's best propagandists that exists out there i think what separates us from the propaganda from the other side is we're very open like the writing's on the packaging we're not trying to hide anything from parents we're not trying to Trojan horse kids where you know with some of the most recent movies you can go in and just get bombarded by messages that were not on the packaging you know
(29:08) so yeah what are some examples of uh subverses subversive propaganda in mainstream i mean you had that whole debacle about the Proud Family reboot on Disney um yeah i mean I feel like they're very common i don't want to maybe throw too much mud but uh yeah there's many you just look at the lineup of the past kids movies and probably 50% or more have something that was kind of they snuck in there is Bitcoin's next parabolic move already starting two of the strongest historical indicators global end to liquidity and the copper to gold ratio are flashing green again unchained and
(29:51) techv break it all down in the new report Bitcoin's next parabolic move could liquidity lead the way if you care about the macro forces shaping Bitcoin's trajectory now's the time to pay attention visit unchained.com/tc to read the full report that's unchained.com/tc have you noticed any um any other writers directors cartoonists sort of seeing what you and the team have done at Tuttle Twins and saying "Oh wow i I should get into this.
(30:21) " Do you think you're in inspiring others to to get into this type of genre of of cartoon or or child programming yeah i mean we've we've heard from many behind the scenes we love what you guys are doing we can't kind of publicly come out and say that but keep up the good work um Angel is kind of building this island for artists that just want to do art and it's interesting like you can't make it so divisive that none of the good talent from Hollywood will come over um but there are there are many positive libertarian/onservative
(31:01) actors producers directors in Hollywood that want to make great films with great messaging they just can't they get black ballalled and so uh Angel is that escape valve and uh there's room for good stories there's room for conservative or libertarian or freedom thinking messaging um and there's certainly appetite for it it's just you can't go through the traditional gatekeepers uh you can't go through Kathleen Kennedy you have to go outside of that yeah and it's it's never been when you think of I wrote about this there's like a lot of doomerism out there and times certainly aren't as best as they could be um a lot
(31:39) of the fiak rift has leaked into many parts of our lives but I like to look at the positive side of things the silver lining like the the technology that we have today what we're doing right now um different parts of the country recording a video using mics we'll distribute this over RSS YouTube Rumble we'll get it out there our newsletters and uh you think of platforms like X while they're double-edged swords that can feed you the algorithmic slop or you can find Signal if you know how filter through all the noise like it's never been easier for an independent
(32:18) creator to put some hard work and passion into the project they really care about and then get it out to the world which makes me incredibly optimistic because I would not have pro if these tools didn't exist I probably wouldn't have learned the Total Twins because I was completely unaware of Angel Studios until I started seeing Bitcoiners talk about Total Twins on X and I was like "Oh I'm gonna check this out.
(32:49) " And it it's incredible we the modern day as it stands in 2025 it's never been easier to access the right information i think the focus needs to be on educating people how to filter through all the noise cuz there's a ton of noise and very little signal in the noise to signal ratio but if you can find the signal it's out there and people just need to be better equipped to to find it yeah it used to be the signal was very very strong three channels Johnny Carson if you can make it on that show everyone in America knew you right but now I
(33:23) guess the the benefit of it not being so centralized is uh government can't control the public narrative nearly as as much and the Yeah I think the the disadvantage is Yeah the good signal is a little bit harder to find you have to weave through it i'm having flashbacks to TV Guide i remember TV guide i remember uh going to my grandparents house and when you try to you try to plan your Friday night out at your grandparents it's like you get a TV guide and you look through like the what's it going to be on each channel
(33:54) and you don't find it thinking about how manual of a process and antiquated that seems today is is insane yeah that is the uh what um so you guys are working on season 4 right now what what are some of you mentioned propaganda is something you might want to touch on like what other what other topics like you guys have covered a lot already in um the first three seasons but what like how how much more do you think you guys ha have to dive into i mean as long as there's appetite our goal is to just have one more season than The Simpsons so just a a small goal but uh yeah for season 4 um
(34:38) I think one thing we've been conscious of is we don't want to black pill kids and as we've gone season by season we can go more out on the on the branch for some of these topics we can go down the rabbit hole um and uh yeah so some of the topics that we're working on for season 4 is one is the overpopulation myth we want kids to feel that the world is big enough for all of us and that more people more problem solving so there was a clip I saw recently from Captain Planet uh back in the day and it's they was so like they were just
(35:16) reading the population bomb and and uh spitting it out there towards kids how damaging like you shouldn't have big families because the world will end and and um the opposite's been been true so we're really excited about that one we have some amazing guest stars that we haven't yet announced for it season 4 uh we have one on the uh uh bad effects of charity where if charity done wrong can just totally create dependency of a nation and entire industries and so it must be done correctly and uh you know teach a man to fish kind of message uh we have one on the food industrial complex that we're so excited to launch
(35:56) and to kind of go into both the cronyism that's happened behind the scenes uh and how I think we'll have a a anthropomorphic food pyramid that just finds out that she's a lie is a food pyramid scheme of sorts uh yeah let's see what else um yeah we have one on DEI we're gonna kind of we're gonna debunk it we're gonna have Thomas Soul um in the episode and just show kids you know equity versus merit let's focus on merit so just just stuff that hopefully they'll have the anecdote for a lot of the poison that they're going to be exposed to you know in the coming
(36:37) years in school is Thomas Soul going to do his own voice or so Thomas Soul is a recluse and so we're going to do a younger younger to Thomas Soul back in the day but if we could get if we get old Thomas Soul he only comes out for um for book Hoover Institute that's right his interviews are incredible we'll see if we can get him at least to cameo is the goal it's just it's it's kind of like pulling teeth to get him so well it's like modern day you can you use like 11 labs to create his voice pretty uh pretty accurately but yeah mo most of the time if somebody is living like Thomas I mean we just get the the person
(37:13) he's he is yeah one of the greatest thinkers of our time and the most reclusive too and he's getting old he's he's in his 90s isn't he yeah he's 90s yeah yeah the uh it's fascinating the uh I was thinking like population it is with population that topic typically gets tied in with uh with climate change and all that but I'm I'm just thinking through I'm sure you guys are already well on your way to planning but like you touch like Japan like what's going on with their demographic cuz it is it's something that kids really need to
(37:48) internalize like our generation uh yeah like when you think about when we get older there's going to be a problem with there already is a problem with social security but like you have many more people aging out than are coming below them and that's something I care deeply about is like later in life like thinking like when my parent my mom gets older when my wife's parents get older like how do we take care of them like I don't want to push them into into a home like they need a strong economic foundation and I think more importantly
(38:22) a social foundation really that's what I would like to instill in my boys is like hey um don't put us in a home when we're older like we should live in a multigenerational house is something I would like to see um I would like I would like to see that trend come back where not just on cuz I've had the incredible experience of uh three out of my four grandparents have passed but each one of them died in their own home on hospice surrounded by my aunts my uncles my cousins myself and that was an incredibly special experience for for all of us but uh it's
(38:57) something that's being lost today and part of this population bomb terrible propaganda is is feeding into it right right yeah absolutely yeah i think I'm hopeful we return to that and I know you know people are saying well robots are coming and so robots will take care of the old with the inverted pyramid you know population problem but that would be a terrible way to go just holding the hand of your robot just that looking into the eyes of your robot um yeah it's going to be uh really important that we do it right and uh try and fix the problem i think for China for South Korea for Japan it's like
(39:40) generations too late where we will see population collapse they really like looking backwards China internalized the population bomb much more than the US did even though it came Paul Erlick wrote you know he was a US biologist um so yeah we're hoping Paul sees our episode i think the last stat I saw on South Korea specifically is within two generations they'll have like a 90% population collapse if they don't turn things around yeah which is I mean this gets a broader point like to your point like the
(40:15) population bomb whether DEI whatever it is like the the propaganda on what I think we would both agree is um built on the wrong set of principles and the wrong sort of perspective on the world has strongly affected society broadly globally to the point where countries like China Japan South Korea the US even to a certain extent has shot themselves in the foot and are doing things that are counterproductive to the flourishing of of their societies and I I just thinking this popping my head like so I think what you're doing is extremely important because we need
(41:01) mechanisms to turn the tide socially and psychologically to let people know no humans are good uh we we we're meant to be here like there are certain ways we should interact in a society and in an economy to do things productively and that are beneficial for the individual and the whole and going back to like the doomers I'm like I was a big doomer until I found Bitcoin because it feels like there's no way out like Bitcoin gives you that way to opt out uh via your financial life but I think it's really important to have an opt- out
(41:37) option for um sort of educating kids about these these big ideas and that's one of the most insidious things about Hollywood and and the messages they've been putting out for for many decades now so I mean it's not every movie or every show but a lot of the popular movies and shows are sort of uh cataclysmic and really strike fear in people and have a material effect on how people view the world yeah it it's very clear that art is informing life and life is informing art or at least people's perception of life right um yeah and we've had to sort of
(42:19) grapple with that as we've gone through this episode too because in many senses you know life is getting better than it ever has before but then you have you have that battle between innovation and inflation and um you know we look at just prices on the surface but when you dig down to time price what people could buy with an hour of their time um we can buy far more eggs now per hour worked than we could back in 1900 um they may not be the best quality eggs so that's another discussion which we talk about the food industrial
(42:57) complex episode but like you know we don't have people mass starvation like Paul Erlick was forecasting we have obesity problems right and so um but I I think you know I think what we've realized is the thesis of more people more problem solving still checks you have people like Satoshi Nakamoto who invented you know uh this escape valve this this hope uh that can help so many people um and that all came through you know somebody deciding to have a kid yeah it really did and that's I'm just thinking now too like cuz we just launched an app a TFTC called opportunity cost and
(43:45) um which helps you price everything in Bitcoin and this is something I've been doing a lot of internal reflection on like we've had ideas for apps and I think as a Bitcoin focused media company we've always thought like ah we need to get um some Bitcoin product in the hands of people and for the longest time it's like all right like something that involves a wallet being able to send receive Bitcoin or get access to Bitcoin directly but I think we settled on thisformational tool because it's relatively low lift
(44:14) something that we could actually build and something that we don't have to worry about broader point being there when there's a lot of Bitcoiners out there saying I want to do something I want to do something to to help Bitcoin or help the broader freedom movement and they think they need to do something very complex or build something grand um and and sort of comp complicated and very featureful but I think there's a ton of lowhanging fruit um in the information war which we settled on opportunity cost and I think Tuttle Twins is a great example you don't need to build some sort of financial app uh
(44:52) you need to build a mechanism for education particularly for younger people in your case and I think that's one thing cuz I could I don't want to blow smoke up your butt but um I think I I think people severely underestimate how impactful sort of things that are unintuitive can be for having an impact on this movement a cartoon yeah like thinking of a Bitcoin cartoon um is so creative and as I've been mentioning it's already impacted my children my niece my nephew and now their classmates to a certain degree and so I think it's incredibly inspiring what y'all are doing with um with Tuttle Twins and
(45:35) Angel Studios more broadly and hopefully others out there are listening think about how can I help how can I help these small little things that that may seem unintuitive on the surface yeah yeah and that's humbling to hear man um yeah we're just we we didn't anticipate you know the success it's definitely not come all in a night it's been a grind all throughout so uh but yeah as as we've gotten sucked more down the Bitcoin rabbit hole um you know most of our audience are Bitcoiners but they are freedom-minded people and they've started questioning the public school system and they've started questioning
(46:16) now the money they started questioning a lot of things so it's it's been beneficial to not just be a Bitcoin focused uh company because we can bridge to so many other topics that you know people care a lot about and uh and we can mix Bitcoin in there too so for those thinking like oh I just have to be focused on Bitcoin I think you can triangulate to Bitcoin from a lot of different places yeah that and that's you're you're mentioning it before we hit record but we've branched out um outside of Bitcoin only content and sort
(46:50) of covering tangental topics that with people that align ideologically but may not grock Bitcoin and I think that that's been in terms of TFTC orange pilling our guests that's been the most impactful way is like hey I agree with you on this thing about bodily autonomy or geopolitics or macroeconomics let me just sprinkle some Bitcoin into the conversation to get you thinking if you think this way Bitcoin makes a lot of sense for you and I think that is another incredible attribute to to title twins you cover such a wide spectrum of um Austrian economics and freedomoriented topics that I think just
(47:28) v osmos as people parents watching the show with their kids are like "Oh yeah I agree with all this why why wouldn't I agree with the Bitcoin stuff too?" It sort of makes sense yeah we I there was this comment from a few months ago where someone was like "You guys are spot on with all your episodes but this Bitcoin thing is a total miss.
(47:54) " It just was so funny to me if you think if you trust us with 99% of this stuff like could you learn a little bit more about Bitcoin it's uh and their kids are like "No daddy this makes sense uh this makes sense what's the process like for for making an episode yeah so it takes about as long as making a child it's much harder i'm just kidding my wife's pregnant right now she'd kill me oh um Oh nice congrats congrats to you thanks so uh yeah about 9 months uh and we spend we kind of came outside of Hollywood so we didn't know how Hollywood tells us we should do it but we just took what we
(48:31) did with ads and so we just spend about six weeks writing an episode um and we'll do lots of brain trusts with with experts and with just cool writers that we know and and like and just refine the script over and over and over i I joke around with people like half the jokes in the show we just write for ourselves and they go way over kids heads and then half the jokes we write for kids and we kind of intend for each TET twins episode to be that family viewing experience kind of the original Pixar stuff where where the adults can be laughing alongside their kids and then from there yeah we make the animatic
(49:09) which is basically just like the storyboarded version the animated storyboarded version and then we work with our animation house we're using a animation house uh in Ireland um who who makes the final animation and then we uh after 9 months kick out an episode every month so um it was a bit tricky we have being a principled show we don't take subsidies so it it takes us a long time to find an animation house that doesn't get huge film subsidies so um and it's been kind of frustrating too but yeah the film industry is just swimming in government contracts and subsidies
(49:51) so do you have a go-to one or just the shop yeah I mean with Ireland we found one that would do it without without taking government subsidies so is it handdrawn uh no they use something called Toon Boom so it's like puppeting basically kind of puppet like animation um uh I wish it was handdrawn that would be awesome to go back to the the real you know long-term thinking short you know high or low time preference way of doing things yeah and since since you mentioned it I have to ask is Grandma Gabby the uh is she the the mechanism
(50:27) for getting the uh the parent jokes out there typically yeah I'd say Grandma um can you know say uh you know places to go people to see communists to offend she can say stuff like that a lot of times she's the one who does hit for parents um yeah and uh uh yeah we'll just throw in you know lots of different uh jokes for parents how um how can anybody who's listening to this help you guys out outside of watching becoming a guild member when So yeah if you want um uh just watching the show is the first step go to angel.com/tuttlet twins um uh three of
(51:10) our seasons are free the season 4 will be guild lock so only uh paying guild members can watch it when it comes out uh but then we released lots of clips on social media i think to date we've had like 300 million views across episodes of the show and uh and clips and so if you see a clip that resonates with you please share it you know and spread Tuttle Twins with your family and friends um that really helps just word of mouth is is the biggest thing and what would you say to parents who may be a bit apprehensive to throw their children into the deep end of some of
(51:47) these concepts i'd say watch it first um yeah I don't encourage any parent to just like trust me like verify go and watch what we put down there may be a topic like the military-industrial complex episode that you're like on the fence with or something uh and that's that's fine um each of our episodes like I was saying before it passes the guild um only when the parents pass it and so if you join the Angel Guild you can actually tell us and we read every single comment early on um that joke was offensive or I think you guys are getting this wrong and we listen to those comments and if we see like a
(52:24) pattern um we definitely make some drastic changes but the point is like we don't make this without parent approval and uh you shouldn't show this to your kid without watching it first i would say yeah uh as a parent the uh the MLK episode I think you guys handled that that topic uh very very uh meticulously and handled it with class and it was uh I was I was watching I was like oh wow they're touching this and this is this is incredible which one was that the uh uh we've mentioned him in a couple episodes
(53:02) imperfect people or was that the uh imperfect people okay yeah yeah how could you say an affair in a way that kids that goes over kids heads um but yeah yeah well you guys are crushing it um I can't wait for season 4 and yeah if there's anything we can ever do here at TFTC to help you guys out let me know because I think as I said we're in a meme warfare a prop a war for minds if you will or battle for minds and I think it's important and you guys are incredible example of good educational content that I as a parent feel comfortable putting in front of my children and we need more of that and I
(53:45) will reiterate to anybody listening out there with young children do not underestimate their capacity to learn and really understand topics complex topics economic topics at a very early age and you mentioned the allowance in Bitcoin like our oldest son he he demanded it in Bitcoin too so I set him up with an e-cash wallet uh and he eagerly does chores so that I can send him Bitcoin and he he he's obsessed with watching his wallet balance go up after after completing chores and it's worked out well for us he's storing his his
(54:23) chore money and hard money and he's actually eager to do chores and help around the house which is incredible amazing man we got to get a tutorial of that i'm sure like tons of our parents would love to see what you're doing on that side maybe yeah maybe we could uh maybe I will do that maybe there'll be a newsletter all right here's how yeah we we we'll we'll hit up our audience with it too yeah because there's so many parents are like "Where do I start?" You know it's so over my head um Well Marty man what you're doing here with TFTC and
(54:53) Rabbit Hole Recap um everything you're doing is such high signal and uh for our audience we'll send this out to you guys too like check out his stuff uh it's really great way to dive deep on Bitcoin but also freedom related topics and I I was joking around with you before coming on the show like uh you find some of these great freedom-minded voices way before I hear about them elsewhere and so I actually listen to this show sort of to think of potential guest stars for future episodes oh yeah like oh yeah
(55:27) this this person is or or sometimes to question the guest stars that we're talking to uh in the case of food industrial complex we were talking to I won't they won't name names but um anyways yeah it was just good to good to yeah just pure signal here we've uh thank you thank you for that we we're becoming a bit of a Rogan uh Rogan uh warm-up show a lot of uh a lot of recent guests over the last couple years they'll show up at TFTC first and then a year or two later they'll end up in Rogan that's something we're very proud of here and um that's that's what I do
(56:01) And it's it's uh for me it's just following my own curiosity and having done it for so long like not afraid to be like all right you're saying some interesting stuff let's have a conversation about it so thank you for listening and for the kind words it's uh I'm just some dude following his curiosity likewise we're just some dudes just making cartoons for our own kids and uh if it works for others great well Johnny oh I meant to mention um we are doing an episode uh with Safeodine Amoose um and Canes so that'll come out
(56:37) season 4 we're going to be debunking Keynesianism for kids so we'll have to yeah get you an early screening of that but uh we don't hold punches and we went light on we cut the pedophile joke that we had about canes just because it is a kid show but no scenes set in Morocco I guess yeah no no but yeah it is a kid show we We did play around with grandma putting him in a protective bubble the whole time but you know we wanted to tag Kane's on on not just his behavior but on uh you know the ideas so but yeah I'm excited for you to see it so the debt doesn't matter we're going to teach the kids
(57:15) that the debt doesn't matter the debt doesn't matter yeah well Johnny thank you for what you're doing freaks if you're listening to this you have children even if you don't have children go check out the Tuttle Twins um incredibly refreshing cartoon that exists uh and it will set your kids on the right path to understanding principles that if you're listening to this show I assume you're you're aligned with at least to a certain degree and it's a hard thing as a parent too to try to uh I'm I'm the the newsletter I write is probably at I don't like they tell you in content
(57:56) particularly on social media right at a fifth grade level i don't know how to do that and so I'm like trying to get very complex uh concepts out there but I explain them at a higher level and when I go to try to explain this stuff to my kids it's like all right how do I dumb it down i have a problem doing that and I have a hard time doing that and so having a resource like the Tuttle Twins where you guys are really good at that and being able to be like "All right son sit here watch this and then I'll answer any questions you have after." It's incredibly beneficial and impactful for
(58:27) me as a parent man yeah likewise thank you so much for having me on and I'm excited to kind of see where the next uh Joe Rogan guest stars come from um a couple years in advance might be you Johnny it's going to be you well you said it Marty i did too all right thank you so much Johnny enjoy the rest of your day peace and love freaks okay freaks thank you for listening to the show i hope you liked it if you did like it please make sure you subscribe rate review the show it helps us out a lot and also if you like these conversations I've come to realize
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