Andrew Myers shows how Bitcoin enables freedom in a future shaped by AI, robots, and rising energy demand.
In this episode of TFTC, Andrew Myers, founder of Satoshi Energy, explores the convergence of AI, humanoid robots, Bitcoin, and decentralized energy, warning of a near future where self-replicating machines dominate energy and labor. Myers argues that Bitcoin’s decentralized nature offers a critical check against centralized AI power, enabling autonomous agents to transact freely and protecting individual sovereignty. Through his company’s work and its software BitCurrent, Myers promotes Bitcoin as both a tool for energy market efficiency and a foundation for preserving liberty in an AI-driven world.
“Humanoid robots are going to not only replace most of the jobs people do today… they're going to be able to recreate themselves and self-replicate faster than that.”
“For me the key value proposition of Bitcoin is leveling the economic playing field. Rather than those who control the money printer making the economic decisions, it's everyday people.”
“AI energy demand is infinite. Bitcoin has a Nakamoto point… AI doesn’t.”
“Satoshi Energy’s mission is to enable every electric power company to use Bitcoin by block 1,050,000.”
“If you're a Bitcoiner and you're not using Fold, what are you doing? You're leaving sats on the table.”
“Tesla said machines would eventually fight wars for us. When that happens, nation-states become spectators. Bitcoin is how we avoid centralized control of those machines.”
“There’s already an energy company in Texas using Bitcoin as collateral in a power contract.”
“Are we auditioning for a galactic federation? Maybe. Even if not, we should still be acting like we are.”
Andrew Myers delivers a compelling vision of the future where exponential AI and energy growth demand a decentralized response—one rooted in Bitcoin as more than money, but as critical infrastructure for freedom. Through Satoshi Energy and tools like BitCurrent, Myers bridges big ideas with tangible actions, advocating for bottom-up sovereignty across energy and finance. His message is clear: decentralization is no longer optional—it’s essential for preserving human agency in an increasingly automated world.
0:00 - Intro
0:34 - Tesla’s AI energy theory
8:59 - Bitcoin and decentralization fixes AI
13:02 - Fold & Bitkey
14:38 - How Satoshi Energy is using AI
19:28 - Bit Current
23:13 - Unchained
23:42 - Revealing inefficiency
32:57 - Proliferating OS AI with bitcoin
36:26 -Apple of Eden and Antichrist
45:11 - Iberian outage
48:48 - Defense tech
54:51 - UFOs, Atlantis and remote viewing
(00:00) Humanoid robots are advancing so quickly. They're going to not only replace most of the jobs that people do today, probably the next 5 to 10 years, but they're going to be able to recreate themselves and self-replicate even faster than that. With AI, the energy demand is infinite. It's going to 10x and 10x and 10x again in terms of global energy consumption, and that's just going to completely change the world we live in.
(00:21) If there's a sufficiently advanced AI, is it going to listen to a politician that says, "No, you can't have that energy." Or is it going to say, "Fuck you. Send the drone. You can hear us loud and clear. Loud and clear. I have to put this in front of my face so I'm not leaning. Yeah, vibe coding. There may be some securityities.
(00:45) I do want to hand it off to a developer who actually understands this stuff to say, am I am I going to am I going to leak any information or like be Yeah, I should probably do that before I release to the public. Now, let me say that. does seem pretty simple though. It's just getting the data on the page, getting the price of Bitcoin, using Coin Gecko API, and then running the math of how much Bitcoin is this worth at this point in time.
(01:13) We're not collecting any data either. I don't think that you know of. No, this is AI once. This is the problem of vibe coding. Are you bearish on AI? Uh, I think we're at a fork in the road and on one side I'm very bullish. You shamed me for for admitting that I was turning my kids into Legos via or turning myself into Lego in this. I was channeling my inner Marty.
(01:36) What would Marty do? Well, that's what uh that's what precipitated this. You hit me up. Was it two weeks ago now at this point? this week with your tweet about Nicola Tesla essentially predicting AI and him not factoring in sound money to the inevitable future that he foresaw. Yeah, it kind of came up uh in the work we're doing at Satoshi Energy where we're developing sites for data centers and a lot of those were were Bitcoin data centers for the last five six years and then in the last couple of years just increasingly demand
(02:20) from AI data centers in some cases like a project that we sold to a Bitcoin miner then becomes an AI site and then start to have questions within the team about what is our AI strategy and it was always in the back of my mind as part of the strategy which we'll get into like what is this fork in the road which directions could it go but I hadn't ever really communicated it to our team uh until recently because it's such a big idea that like on top of thinking about sound money and energy like we're already thinking about enough but as the
(02:57) team's growing as people are starting to ask these questions and like in some cases feeling conflicted about um should we be serving this AI market and in some cases large institutional investors and tech companies uh really like felt the need to put the the pen to paper and and talk about this and talk about how AI fits into our overall strategy.
(03:20) Uh, and part of that reminded me of this uh, essay that Nicola Tesla wrote called um, the problem of human energy, which was kind of a cheeky title. Uh, because clearly he thought, you know, energy would liberate humanity. Uh, but it get you get a lot more readers if you, you know, if you name it, the problem of human energy, especially a lot more of the critics who you're trying to convince otherwise.
(03:44) And one of the biggest things, biggest takeaways for me in that in that essay is he he basically says at some point man will create machines that fight wars for us and limit the the loss of human life to the point where the different parties, nation states, other powerful people u that were fighting wars with each other will once it's sort of this this machine to machine battle, they'll just become interested spectators.
(04:13) and eventually lead to world peace. So I think that's the path we want to be on. Not the path where it becomes a very centralized AI and we ultimately become enslaved. Uh but on the path to world peace or or keeping ourselves on that path to world peace. I think that's where Bitcoin plays a role. it keeps the economic playing field level uh and keeps this technology sufficiently decentralized where Bitcoin is that protocol for you know decentralized AI agents communicating with each other.
(04:46) So we can go in any direction you want from there but it's a big idea. No, this is in line with something I wrote about earlier this week that was inspired by a tweet that Paul Otoy from Stack put out basically not explaining this exact problem but just giving his thoughts on how he's viewing the state of AI and where it will go in the future.
(05:10) And Paul, the team at stack and sphinx are highly focused on enabling the open- source AI as opposed to closed source AI. I I think based on what you just said, I think it's very line what Paul was saying in that tweet, which is we're reaching the point with MCP with these sort of protocols where you can store context that agents can plug into and begin communicating with each other.
(05:39) We're at the point where agentic models are getting are actually usable. And I think that's where you have this like critical tipping point of okay that's really going to dictate which direction in the fork in the road we go down because once the agents are able to go do these tasks you right have these network effects that take hold and it's very important that we thread the needle of making sure that it's open and incentivized properly.
(06:10) Yes. Yes, we had this idea of time preference in the Bitcoin community where you know we think with sound money we should have a low time preference meaning we think longer term uh we don't need need to make sort of quick rash decisions into investments today but then you have this tidal wave of AI coming our our direction it almost forces you back into that high time preference mindset of like I need to address this problem now um and Then from like an energy perspective, it's interesting too.
(06:44) Uh you have like Drew's concept of the Nakamoto point for Bitcoin. Like how much of of human energy of global energy will will Bitcoin mining consume? And like say it's between 1 and 10% of of human energy. If it becomes 100% then uh that doesn't make any sense because then you're just like worshiping Bitcoin.
(07:03) And if all of the energy is going towards that, it means you're not putting any energy towards any other sort of economic pursuit or uh you know human need. But with AI, the energy demand is infinite. I don't think there is a Nakamoto point. It's just like it's going to 10x and 10x and 10x again in terms of g global energy consumption.
(07:23) Uh and that's just going to completely change the world we live in. Another thing on sort of the high time preference concept is like humanoid robots are advancing so quickly. They're going to not only replace all of the job most of the jobs that people do today, very quickly within probably the next 5 to 10 years max, but they're going to be able to recreate themselves and self-replicate even faster than that.
(07:48) So you have this exponential uh you know exponential advancements in the like the intelligence the algorithms powering them. Uh and then you have the exponential growth of the like physical machinery itself. Uh it's going to replace everything. Uh not replace everything but like change everything. Change everything very very very quickly. Yeah.
(08:12) You have people talking about like once you get to the point where the humanoid robots or other robot form factors can build themselves, they're going to start building factories and power facilities and all that, which is power facilities is interesting, right? Like you have this very human process in building power generation and maintaining a power grid today.
(08:35) If there's a sufficiently advanced AI that says, "I want more power." Is it going to listen to a politician? Is it going to listen to a regulator that says, "No, you can't have that energy, or is it going to say, "Fuck you. Send the drone." Exactly. [ __ ] So, this is why we need to keep it decentralized, in my opinion.
(08:59) Yeah. All right. So, let's get back to the Tesla human energy problem essay and your thoughts on like the missing piece and how we can go down the path that doesn't lead to our ultimate destruction. Yeah, for me the key value proposition of Bitcoin is is leveling the economic playing field.
(09:30) So rather than those who control the money printer making the economic decisions, it's everyday people, investors, entrepreneurs. And the quicker that we can get Bitcoin into the hands of more people who also believe in that Bitcoin ethos of, you know, free market economies and um, you know, individual liberties, the better off we'll be when it comes to the next stage of AI growth.
(10:01) So, you know, it the the the people the companies that are building AI today could get to general artificial intelligence in the next few years to the point where it's self-replicating, owns all the energy infrastructure, uh tells us what to do. We don't tell it what to do. Um, and at that point, our our Bitcoin is potentially even worthless.
(10:26) like we may not even need it unless we try to live like underground in like this like Bitcoin economy that's like just trying to survive outside of AI. Uh on the other hand, if you know energy companies, other investors, people who hold Bitcoin today are making investments in owning the energy infrastructure in the data center infrastructure, in the algorithms that are that are powering this in the machinery, in the in the machines, the the humanoid robots.
(10:56) Then those people can choose to deploy a version of AI that represents their interests which ideally are not to control other people but to like build a more uh abundant enlightened human society. Yeah. So maybe Satoshi spends that million Bitcoin on decentralized AI and not how would you describe the landscape of funding for open artificial intelligence versus closed right now? I mean I think it seems obvious it's skewed pretty massively in one direction.
(11:36) Yeah. I think where it gets interesting is on the the machinery like the human the humanoid robots. Um when you think about the algorithms, it requires you know big data big big data center infrastructure and uh energy and compute to train models but then some of those become open sourced and they can be used and modified and improved uh in an open source way but then when it gets gets to like you know machines doing things that's definitely more VC funded centralized uh not a lot of like grassroots local economic development
(12:17) type of drones and and robots being built. But I mean you see this you know across the the global battlefield like people building very cheap drones to you know for self-defense and offense in wars like that that's going to evolve in the next few years and and continue to happen. Does the Palunteer Androl partnership scare you? Uh, I definitely ask questions about it, but I think at face value the guys behind those companies um are saying the right things.
(12:53) They're saying the right things. You think they'll do the right thing ultimately? Uh, who knows? Listen, freaks, I know you're tired of me talking about fold, but I'm going to beat the drum. I'm going to beat the dead horse. If you're a Bitcoiner living in the United States and you're not using Fold, I'm just going to ask one question.
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(14:38) world, code TFTC20. Let's bring this back to Satoshi Energy and somebody running a business that finds itself at the intersection of multiple tailwinds with Bitcoin and AI. And to your point, like internally your employees beginning to ask the question like what are we doing here? who we who should we look to serve? How do you frame that in your mind? And how do you see Satoshi Energy's place in this this evolution? And how you may or may not try to push things in a direction that you view is beneficial for the long-term
(15:19) sustainability of humanity. Yeah, it's a good question to come back to. Um, I think there's a there's a saying about Samuel Colt and it says Samuel Colt or sorry, God made man and Samuel Colt made them equal. Uh, so, you know, inventing a a new type of gun like you don't know if a criminal is going to get that gun or somebody trying to defend their land and property and family is going to get that gun.
(15:53) But it's a technology that ultimately should be liberating if used correctly. Same with nuclear technology. Like we're with AI, we're sort of living through this atomic age of our generation. So I when I think about it from a company strategy perspective, it's, you know, let's continue to be core to the ethos of Bitcoin.
(16:16) Uh and and the way that we do that is and and really the the way the company even started was, you know, looking at the needs of Bitcoin mining companies, you know, 7 years ago and I specifically remember reading a job description from a Bitcoin mining company and they're hiring for an energy manager. So my thinking there is like, okay, I can do most of the things on this job description, but I know every other mining company is going to need this.
(16:44) And if we want to keep the Bitcoin network, uh, specifically Bitcoin mining relatively decentralized, all of those other mining companies that maybe just like don't have that same competitive advantage. They're going to need this skill set. So we started building STOI Energy around that energy manager skill set. you know, finding sites, developing the sites, doing the land, the interconnection, the power contracts, analyzing the energy bills, doing financial optimization with the settlements using and then ultimately using Bitcoin for that. So that was the
(17:11) first thing. Um and kind of how it started and then just ongoing we continue to our actually our company mission uh we call it our essential intent is to enable every electric power company to use Bitcoin by block 1 million50,000. So that's about 3 years from now. Uh and it was our 5-year plan.
(17:33) We started it two years ago. But the idea is that, you know, the more we can get Bitcoin into the hands of energy companies where they value the self- sovereignty of Bitcoin and Bitcoin as money, the better off, the better off we are in this AI future. And so, you know, it started with helping energy companies sell power to Bitcoin miners. We've done that.
(17:51) They've got like we're definitely educating and getting them more comfortable with it along the way. Uh, in that time frame, they've started to ask like how do we invest in Bitcoin mining ourselves, which is great. just gets more parties involved, more more competition in the market, in the mining market.
(18:09) Um, and they're starting to do that, starting to make those investments, even some big global commodity companies being like, "Oh, this is another commodity. Like, we want to invest in this. We want to own this." Uh and then I think through that work of developing projects and developing sites uh for Bitcoin miners, it's just like in the same way that you could like sell guns or weapons or anything like we're selling more energy infrastructure which just creates a more liquid competitive market such that more parties can then
(18:38) come in and participate. Um so whether we sell that project to top five tech company or a small mining company doesn't really matter. It's just it's another site on the market that people can compete compete for. And if a big tech big tech company buys it, well, there's another site that just opened up for another mining company. So, that's part of it.
(18:59) And then there's, you know, all of the types of energy transactions that happen in the market and just how ripe they are for using digital money to settle those transactions or use use digital money as collateral in those transactions. So, we're building out that u that software in infrastructure as well.
(19:17) And I think that's going to be another thing that really accelerates the adoption and and keeps people keeps energy companies thinking about Bitcoin as this tool for like self- sovereign financial operations. Yeah. Be cool. I mean name dropping the software. Oh yeah, sure. So Bit Current. Bit Current. Yeah. That's because I think it's a very important development in the space not only for mining but for energy more broadly like this ability to leverage Bitcoin and its multiple layers to facilitate the the sale of of energy to
(19:55) I think first use case obvious is miners but ultimately anybody buying electricity. Yep. So how how do you envision Bitur's progression like the first problems it solves and ultimately all the problems it can solve over time? Yeah. So our our mantra for Bitcurren is fast, accurate, transparent energy transactions.
(20:23) Right now there's a lot of there's a a massive information asymmetry between energy sellers and energy buyers. Energy energy markets are complex. the transactions are complex. Energy sellers know a lot of what there is to know about these transactions because they're deep in that and that's their core business.
(20:42) You then get energy buyers on the other side of that. Um, you know, even advanced data center companies know very little and don't have a ton of that energy management expertise in house. And then you think down to like other industrial, commercial, residential users, they basically have zero clue what they're paying for.
(20:59) So kind of the the core of that is saying you know how do we use data uh to make the transaction more balanced between sellers and buyers. Uh on top of that you just have electric power moving very quickly in real time 24/7 365 and then you have money typically moving uh you know at best on a daily basis uh only during business days through traditional fiat banking rails.
(21:32) However, uh you know typically it's a 30-day billing cycle with like a net 15 net30 payment. So somebody's always taking on some credit risk there and with digital money um you know you can you can settle much faster and and minimize that credit risk and and by doing that you open up all of this capital that would be work that would be locked in uh you know in terms of prepayments, deposits, credit requirements, collateral requirements and you open that open that working capital up so that those companies can then invest in other things whether it's
(22:03) like a Bitcoin miner you know taking that $10 million they lock lock locked up as collateral and investing it into more mining infrastructure. Uh so that's that's a big thing is just the the inherent credit risk in energy transactions. And then you also like there's always going to be some need for some collateral in power transactions whether it's like a long-term hedge uh a long-term power purchase agreement.
(22:28) Um and I think Bitcoin is a a great form of collateral there. So, we started prototyping a Bitcoin collateral product a few years a uh about two two and a half years ago and kind of put that out to market. We're getting feedback on that. We didn't have the time to build it or the resources to build it at the time, but in the time that's passed, we've actually there is actually a big energy company in Texas, another technology vendor who I don't actually know who it is.
(22:56) Uh, and then one of the big custodians, big exchanges, they're actually building this Bitcoin collateral product uh, for one of their one of their mining projects that they're serving. So, it's hap like they're actually an energy company using Bitcoin as collateral in a power contract. And we're continuing to accelerate what we're doing there, too.
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(23:34) Understand why Bitcoin works and why nothing else does. Watch the premiere at unchained.com/TFTC. That's unchained.comTTFTC. What are um some of the inefficiencies that have been surfaced as you've been building out this product? Cuz you have basically the energy producer, you have the buyer, you have the metering, you have the accounting systems, like where how efficient or inefficient is that whole process as it stands today? And do you envision something like Bit Current or these Bitcoin collateralized energy contracts progressing the the state of
(24:14) these technologies that are sort of tangental to the power markets? Not tangental but sort of yeah um there's a much bigger long-term vision for Bit Current that we're exploring now. Uh, and when I say long term, I mean like a year, year and a half because as I said, we need to kind of have a a high time preference here and move aggressively.
(24:41) Um, and it thinks about energy transactions more more globally and all the types of energy transactions that happen. But in terms of the things that we've learned, it kind of depends on which part of the market you're looking at. Um, energy sellers. So this could be a power generation company, this could be a retail energy provider, it could be a utility.
(25:02) Um, you know, despite being wellunded and technologically advanced, the way that they get data and process data like does not set them up to produce an invoice any more frequently than once a month, which is kind of crazy to think about. um like you know you have different ways that you can configure a SCADA system to ultimately get meter data and and you know ingest that data and and measure how much energy a data center is consuming in real time but and they kind of do that for monitoring in real time.
(25:33) But like the deeper we go into this like bill analysis functionality functionality that we're doing then producing invoices like we find discrepancies in the metering on like typically every project that we set up where it's just like they did not configure the SCADA system properly or they did and they're building it wrong um or there's data gaps or they messed up a time zone issue.
(25:55) Like there's all kinds of nuance there. It's like you need to build some standards and like make sure that the data is coming in properly and is accessible to to do the the things on top of it. Um that's kind of like the the bilateral transaction. So like between seller and buyer, but then you also have the sellers participating in the market itself.
(26:17) And the market infrastructure even in an advanced market like Urkot is just very outdated. like it was built over the last 20 years. Uh meaning development started 20 years ago when like software and um kind of information protocols were very different. So you have this like effectively very outdated XML data format that's very messy, hard to keep track of.
(26:42) Uh that's effectively running the power market that needs to be 99.999% reliable. uh but the way that like the actually the transactions actually happen is just um moving much much much slower and you have a broader market of like energy trading. So some of the big u exchanges like an ICE or a CME um those were also built you know 15 20 years ago and are pretty outdated in terms of the way they you know operate as a clearing house and and move money around.
(27:13) Does the fact that all these systems started getting built and have been built on the foundation over the last 20 25 years does that create a sunk cost fallacy? Like how large is the switching cost to actually update all these systems? Um, I think with the the will to do it, like there's a cost to build an URKT for example that I think is in the hundreds of millions if not north of a billion just to build it.
(27:49) Um, and then operate on a annual basis like operating it is in the hundreds of millions to build what specifically? The market itself. Yeah. So, you know, price formation, calculating all the nodal prices every five minutes, uh, and then the clearing house, like actually moving the money. Um, that's all operated for hundreds of millions of dollars a year when in reality it could be software product that costs maybe like a few million dollars a year to run.
(28:17) And the switching process, what would that look like? that's uh getting deeper into the strategy of how this all plays out. Yeah. Um I think it could happen top down or bottom up. So top down would be to say, hey, do we really need a centralized entity managing the entire market or can we build some sort of decentralized protocol that serves the same purpose? um in which case that's also sort of a bottom up thing where okay people who are participating in the market decide to adopt that protocol and use that protocol but the question is like
(29:01) geographically where do you adopt that first and so I tend to think either like small markets or a very small market like a micro grid would adopt this sort of technology first um meaning like you have a micro grid where maybe there's you know, a home or business with like solar, batteries, gas generator, and then another home or business geographically close to it that maybe doesn't have that, and then a few others with like similar mixes of of power and storage and and backup power.
(29:36) And if they're all connected with sort of a mesh network type of grid, they could buy and sell power between each other. Um I think the most the most uh likely use case in that for that would be like okay in a time where there is an outage on the grid then you're just selling backup power to your neighbors rather than selling them power all the time.
(29:58) Um so that could be one way that these types of protocols kind of take off. Uh or there could just be like you know an overhaul of the existing system. I actually have some other ideas I'm kind of keeping closer to my chest, but uh it doesn't have to happen all at once. Um I think just, you know, get getting energy companies started with doing transactions in Bitcoin and and using Bitcoin as collateral is is the clear first step.
(30:23) And then I think at the power market level, the independent system operator level, which is like the wholesale bulk transmission of power between big utility scale generators and now big utility scale um data centers and other industrial customers, the the people operating at the ISOs are actually starting to think about Bitcoin as a a way to do this.
(30:48) Yeah, we're actually that so operates on these nodal protocols you may have heard about. uh working with some other Bitcoiners including competitors of ours thinking about how do we actually start modifying the protocols uh or at least putting proposals to modify the protocols that say and just I guess for a little bit of background like in the protocols the rules of how the market works there's discussions around financial settlement and every time it talks about financial settlement it says US dollars for financial settlement so you can just
(31:18) submit a change like you can just do things you submit a change to the protocols or change request and you say dollars or bitcoin if mutually agreed. So little things like that are kind of stepping stones towards um ultimately getting getting the market running on on a sound money standard. Yeah.
(31:40) The thing is not protocols you mentioned the five minute pricing data. That's what a lot of miners are using for demand response. They'll take in that pricing data from an API and depending on where the price is at any given point in time and the particular PPA and um demand response program that that minor is in they'll adjust their load according to what the pricing signals are telling them right now US dollars but you can imag like full scale adopted miners are doing this they have Bitcoin treasury lightning channels set up and it's just like automatic Mhm. paying for
(32:14) it as it's coming in. I hope it happens faster then because when you think about the efficiencies that are gained from this capital like you were going back and describing the problems that exist with metering alone like how much capital has been lost or how much maybe it's not lost but misallocated toward one party as opposed to another because of that that just data problem that exists.
(32:43) Yeah, probably quite a bit. We see a fair amount of billing discrepancies in the work that we do. Yeah, it's like unless you have a neurode divergent approach like we do, uh you don't find those mistakes. The um let's bring this back to AI though. you you mentioned the the need to get Bitcoin in the hands of as many people as possible to incentivize this proliferation of open source AI as opposed to closed source dystopian AI.
(33:14) But bringing Paul Toy's tweet back into this, one of the points he made is that we talk about Bitcoin being used as a medium of exchange. We're going to find that the machines are doing most of that exchange at some point. relatively soon. It's like the agents using Bitcoin to complete tasks using something like L42 protocol is going to far surpass the amount of transactions that that humans are doing to do things in their everyday lives.
(33:43) And you get into semantics, well, if the humans were telling the agents to do that, is that human usage? But I think the point being is like when it comes to like Bitcoin adoption, what are your thoughts on like actually focusing on making sure that agents are adopting Bitcoin as their currency of choice to facilitate this open source future? Yeah, I think it's uh just practical, you know, practically thinking the AI would prefer to settle faster in a digital currency rather than waiting on the traditional system or figuring out
(34:18) the traditional system. Like the AI will gear itself towards energy efficiency and it's much more efficient from an energy perspective to be settling in Bitcoin than it is to go through the traditional banking rails. um it's going to require less compute of the AI to do that and then the financial system itself theoretically uses less energy.
(34:37) Why should it why should using Bitcoin over like a Stripe API? Uh I guess I mean yeah stripe API and bitcoin are probably you know about the same um from the AI's energy perspective but then in terms of like global money perspective uh you know who wrote that analysis years ago where they kind of talked about might have been Jameson Lop uh the cost of war and cost of all the you know financial infrastructure brick and mortar buildings all those things to actually make the USD payment rails work um there's also that that energy
(35:11) component and so if I'm an AI and I say, "Okay, I could use a money that is using a bunch of energy that could instead go into my AI or I could use Bitcoin, which is uh using less energy. I would choose the less energy uh approach." But on the on the topic too of like open source, closed source, I wanted to say I don't I don't think it need all AI needs to be open source.
(35:37) I think it just needs to be a competitive closed source landscape. So the way I think about this in the energy market is in these future decentralized or federated or you know more advanced energy markets. Energy companies ultimately will have their own AI agent that's operating in the energy market for them and they may have proprietary data, proprietary trading insights and a proprietary AI that that operates in that market.
(36:01) Doesn't necessarily need to be open source, but I'm sure they'll use some open source models. Yes, I've been framing this wrong. I've been uh I've been uh putting I've been describing your framing wrong. It's not open source versus closed source. It's decentralized market for AI models versus centralized market. Okay. Right.
(36:22) Sorry. Competitive versus Yeah. winner takes all. Yeah. Central. The big guys seem to be winning right now. I don't know. Take it one day at a time. Got to have some hope that it's going to play out all right. How are you leveraging AI personally and at the business if at all? Uh, that's a good question. Um, I'd say a little bit behind in terms of how we use it.
(36:46) I know we use it a lot for software development. I do a little bit of vibe coding myself just on little, you know, projects to help with the sales process, product management process, uh, internal optimizations. Um, we use a lot in our development process, whether it's research, uh, you know, analyzing data, analyzing, um, you know, nuanced contracts in some cases.
(37:13) Um but yeah actually I mean it's it's a big thing that we're working on. It's kind of a big initi like we're hiring right now so I'm taking a lot of work off my plate a lot of work off my plate on uh other things like selling software product management on a software and then can like spend more time thinking about overall company AI strategy and how do we leverage it across the business? how do we use um you know self-hosted open source models as much as we can rather than you know the centralized uh rather
(37:40) than jiblifying yourself uh in Sora. I've been jib jiblified before actually. It's pretty cool. I took a family picture. It is so that's like it is like the apple in the garden of Eden is like so like enthralling. It is where it's like, oh [ __ ] like this is like I've And it's funny though, like talking about like the future as somebody with young children and more another one on the way.
(38:14) Like I that's like my oldest son is very perceptive to this stuff right now. Like his favorite thing when we're in the car is to point out every Whimo and Cybertruck out there, which I just think is fascinating from like I'm like, "Oh man, this is like When we were growing up, my famous story about like my technology journey as an individual as a '9s baby millennial is like I remember when Caller ID first came out.
(38:41) I thought that was mind-blowing. And then the internet. Yeah. And Star 69. And like I'm thinking of my boys like ah like my oldest is just like he's five and so he's definitely at the age I think where you'll have long-term memories that you can pull from and some of his earliest memories are going to be like pointing out Whimos and Cyber Trucks and like when he's doing it I often think like 10 years from now like is that going to be one of his core memories? It's like I remember when like it was cool to see a Whimo or self-driving car like on on the
(39:12) road in Austin, but 10 years from now it's just like taken for granted. That's like his connection to the old world, if you will. One of my earliest memories, I think I was about 3 years old and I watched the first Terminator movie, which I think explains a bit about This does explain a lot.
(39:30) This does explain a lot. Are you worried about Scott? Like again going back to what I said before we hit record was uh is Michael Bay was that Michael Bay or James Cameron? James Cameron. Yeah, James Cameron. Yeah, Michael Bay is a little [ __ ] cheesier. James Cameron. Is he like an NHI from the future trying to trying to warn us of the potential ramifications of going down the wrong road? Yeah.
(39:58) I mean, there's plenty of examples of this predictive programming telling us what's coming in some cases intentionally and in other cases uh in a way to sort of make it seem unrealistic. But yeah, some people are better at seeing into the future than others. And whe whether they come from the future or they're just seeing into it, I don't know.
(40:20) Yeah, but I think the Terminator was uh The Terminator, The Matrix, um you know, similar types of movies like they're not minority report. Yeah. It's not just fiction. Yeah. It's not precogs. The precogs are computers, not not humans. Precogs going there. It is. Uh are you optimistic though? Do you think we can do it or are you worried? You see, generally I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if I wasn't optimistic. Yeah.
(40:47) So, it's all interesting at the end of the day, right? Like, it's fascinating. Life's a dead end. You're going to die eventually. Um, if it gets really scary in the meantime, like the dream will end at some point. Yeah. You just got to enjoy it while you're there. Well, then you have like there's some people out there who thinks the first batch of immortal humans have already been born.
(41:10) You know, Brian Johnson's going to try his hardest. That I mean, that could happen, too. Yeah. It's like not not necessarily. I mean like and maybe there's a life beyond this one too. I don't mean that as like this is all we have, but um you still have to enjoy it, right? Like we don't there's so many things we don't have answers to like and we're never going to know everything.
(41:33) So let's just try our best in this moment. Yeah. I was saying the uh Peter Teal Teal gave a lecture series at UATX Caddy Corner from He was in the building like next door UATX. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And uh four-part lecture series and it was interesting. Talked about Peter Teal a lot on this podcast with many people and I got invited to go and I was like I'm going to go check it out.
(42:00) I caught two of the four lectures and I thought it was really fascinating. I mean this topic that we're describing now is pretty much the underlying thread of the whole thing. The lecture series was about the idea of Antichrist versus Armageddon. Humans are particularly in this day and age really focused on Armageddon.
(42:19) This idea that there's going to be some cataclysmic event that uh or return of Jesus, whatever it may be. Um and he thinks nobody's worried about the antichrist which is like another manifestation of an Armageddon-l like thing. Yes. And um a lot of the lecture was focused on AI and like is that potentially or somebody building AI potentially the antichrist leading us into this dystopian hellscape quite literally.
(42:49) And one of the students asked the question after the third lecture which is one of the ones I attended which is like should we just try to stop AI? And I I thought his answer was really interesting. And he said you can't you can't stop it but if you believe it has potential to go one way or the other. You have to lean into it and sort of try to force the inertia in the direction that you want to see. Right.
(43:15) Which is Did he say who the Antichrist is? I he might have a friend. He might have in the fourth uh fourth lecture, but I didn't make it. Yeah, he typically wouldn't say something like that publicly. Yeah. Um let people make their own judgments. Yeah. Uh but yeah, I totally agree. I mean, there are people openly talking about creating an AI god, like a new god to worship that would be centralized, that would be uh driven by computers.
(43:47) Um, and whether that serves man and is a benevolent god or whether that is a uh god that views us angry god be two different paths. Yeah. So, and I think you could do it in a more decentralized way where like the collective of humanity has um some control over it, not just like a single entity or like the the AI itself. Yeah. We go back to your example like creating a competitive marketplace for energy.
(44:13) Similarly in AI just creating a competitive landscape that like cult like just creates this Mexican standoff where if you have a malevolent AI manifest and try to do bad things hopefully there's a counter force of benevolent models that are trying to counteract that. Be fascinating. This could all happen in the next five years is the craziest part about it.
(44:42) I know. Again, going back to the kids, I'm like looking at them. I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] you boys have no idea what you were born into." Yeah. But could that be said for anybody in any point in human history potentially? Yeah. Um was uh was Martin Luther's cousin looking at his kids being like, "Yeah, you have no idea what your uncle just did or your second cousin just did.
(45:07) You can read the Bible now. Um, completely different, not completely different topic, but while I have you here, I think it would be remiss if I didn't ask you questions about what's happening in Spain, Portugal, and France right now. Oh, yeah. Um, should have done a little bit more research on this. Um, I know a lot of people are saying it was the renewable energy that caused the problem.
(45:30) Um, I was one of them. I know. Pulled up the headline. Jamie uh Jamie McCavity came and described it like seems like that could have been what happened. You know, it certainly contributes. Um but yeah, I fell for the clickbait for sure. The the problem for me is not intermittent supply from wind and solar.
(45:55) The problem is the money and the regulation. So there is the technology exists to operate a very reliable grid largely driven by renewable energy intermittent renewable energy in batteries and and all the other energy sources. Go ahead. Let's get the first principle of the problem that Jamie was describing that I was referencing in that newsletter.
(46:16) It's and again it's possible to do this but if you have a turbine based energy generation system there's inertia in that turbine that creates voltage frequency that sort of stays in line. The problem that's introduced with intermittent renewables is it doesn't have that same sort of inertia built into the generation. And so you need to at the interconnects or in the transmission lines create sort of buffers that make sure that if it does get out of a voltage frequency that is necessary to keep things up and running, you sort of have a technology to make
(46:51) sure it stays in line. Correct. Yeah. However, you could also have a DC grid and in that DC grid you just need to maintain the voltage and you already have DC wind power, DC uh solar power and DC batteries that are operating in that in that grid. But even even in today's AC grid um those sort of buffers those things that that are needed to maintain uh you know frequency within a tight band um it would help if we if we weren't all poor from you know having our money stolen for the last hundred years to where the value of a dollar is
(47:26) like 1% of what it was 100 years ago. We might be able to invest in in grid upgrades. we might be able to invest in, you know, new power generation, in batteries, uh, in controls that keep those things in sync better. Then you layer on onto that the overregulation of the market and, you know, somebody who wants to build a micro grid rather than this like radial top- down network that's subject to widespread failure across three countries are without power. Yeah.
(47:56) Um, regulation is preventing micro grids from happening. Why are they preventing micro grids? What's their We've talked about this the last time we were on, but I forget. The problem of human energy as Tesla would say it's uh we don't want people, you know, consuming their own energy and and operating their own energy markets and and self-generation, do we? Like it's dangerous.
(48:17) They could electrocute themselves. I'm envisioning the Thomas Edison or what the somebody's propaganda the old propaganda with the lines and like people getting electrocuted on the street. Yeah, that's basically their their reasoning. Yeah. Yeah. Adults can't make decisions by themselves. And then you get to an AI future, like are you going to tell an AI that they're not allowed to build a power line? Yeah.
(48:43) You're going to get you're going to get droned if you do that. It's it's getting so weird. Your pizza delivery drones just going to [ __ ] take you out. Pizza delivery drones with poison darts. It is so cool. Like, did you see Andrew's uh latest release? The the the gun, the EMF gun. It wasn't even a gun. It was like a box, but like the the whole the whole marketing for it.
(49:09) I very briefly saw it and I thought there was like a guy holding a like a That was at the Vatican. Shoot EMA EMF gun. Oh, that was that too. Yeah, that was at the Vatican. Like, uh the directed energy weapon. Yeah. Like Andrew, I guess they have like an EMF box where the marketing for it was like two guys dressed up in soldier garb.
(49:27) I don't know if they're mercenaries or actual US uh armed forces, but they get a flat tire. Then a drone swarm's coming after them and like EMF kill all them. I think that stuff's amazing. Self-defense, you know, self-defense is a part of this. Yeah. Defensive drones, EMF weapons. Um self-defense weapons.
(49:48) There's another company, um, Joe Lonsdale, one of the Palanteer founders, has a company that's doing the same thing. Weren't they doing a microwaves or something like that? Uh, it might be. Yeah. It's all EMF at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Um, it was very, you know, you've listened to the show, you know, Marty Jones had Whitty Webb on, many others who do not like Palunteer, Peter Teal, that whole PayPal mafia network.
(50:20) And I when he went and did that lecture series, I got invited. I was like, I have to go see this guy in the flash. I was like, ah, it was making a lot of sense on that particular lecture, but it's like it's so hard to tell like what are the the ultimate goals and I don't know. I don't know. Am I getting soft? Am I getting co-opted in real time? Yeah, that's the question.
(50:43) You got to take the Matthew Pines approach. Just don't trust anyone, right? Uh which is kind of where I'm at. When I look at um the powers that be, you've got sort of like a Musk, Teal, SpaceX, Palunteer consortium going on there. Like if those are bad guys, we're [ __ ] If they're good guys, excellent. Yeah. Um if they're bad guys, I don't know.
(51:16) We'll keep keep doing our best. Yeah. Yeah. Elon wearing a Baffomet costume a couple years ago. It's Halloween. Halloween. Yeah, it's Halloween. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, with Here's the thing, too. My my general perspective on life. Uh, nobody's perfect. Everybody makes mistakes.
(51:39) The people I agree with the most, I'm sure we disagree on some things. um you know people are going to get some things wrong and I think on the whole a lot of what's going on from like a defense tech perspective and deregulation perspective and current administration like they're saying a lot of the right things they're moving in the direction of doing a lot of the right things uh and there's still a lot left to be desired on a lot of things what I what I've been thinking recently is like I've got a bad case of of TDS uh and the only cure is like no
(52:18) IRS or something as significant. It's like I will I will maybe trust them more um once we actually get some meaningful change. Yeah. From a regulatory standpoint. Yeah. No, the defense tech thing I completely agree where it's like they're saying all the right things. I remember I went to a Chattam House rules event probably like 2 and 1/2 years ago at this point and there were defense tech VCs in the room describing their investment philosophy and it made a lot of sense.
(52:53) It's like you have this $800 billion annual military budget and we're making investments in companies that could cut that budget by 90%. Mhm. We can accomplish what this $800 billion budget to all these agencies and contractors are producing with 10% of the money and you can eliminate human loss pretty significantly because you're just giving it to autonomous artificially intelligence driven drones essentially.
(53:24) That makes a lot of sense as a US taxpayer. I'm like yeah if you can save 90% and save human life like that makes sense to me. Then like the Marty Jones in me is like is that the like the honey that you go after and you get smacked in the back of the head with a bat some point in the future. It's uh is that the honey trap, right? But then just like economically you can't refute that like if that is possible you should want to gain that efficiency.
(53:56) Yeah. There's a lot of discussion right now about current administration and are they giving favorable treatment to some of these more connected defense tech companies? I think it's pretty obvious. I think yes given their proximity to the administration but then you think from like if it were a competitive procurement process uh all of the incumbents like the companies that have been doing it over the last decades uh are charging like 10 100 times more and then you have a SpaceX coming in and like actually won a lawsuit against US
(54:26) government. Palanteer did the same thing won a lawsuit against the US government um because of their non-competitive practices which should not exist like you're a government entity trying to procure uh services for your taxpayers like it should be a competitive process like a palanteer or a SpaceX are like hands down going to be more cost effective than and actually your traditional you know uh military industrial contractors we have a great example of that like Boeing [ __ ] the bed right [ __ ] things up Right. SpaceX had
(54:57) to go save. But we don't talk about Boeing here. Why not? Why not? We're going to get in some MH What is it? MH370. You're going to get sucked up by an orb. Are the orbs? The orbs going to get us? Don't send me into the other dimension orbs. I got I got kids. Oh man, you need me in this one.
(55:17) Have you tried the Skywatcher to to call orbs? Skywatcher. Uh like I mean I had pines on like two weeks ago. We talked about it. Did you demo the technology? No. Can you demo it? I don't know. I think there's like some open source stuff out there. Is there? Yeah. Oh. Oh, we might Yeah, we might have to have like a weekend hackathon project.
(55:39) I did not realize that. But yeah, it's it's all getting really weird. And that's the other thing like on that stuff on like the UAP stuff. I was joking about it earlier, but it's like ah is Operation Blue Beam real like am I just getting soped? Like as Matt I love Matt Pines but matter are you spooked just trying to just trying to be like the aliens are coming.
(56:01) I don't think so but running that in my mind. Yeah. I've told him this to his face too. Yeah I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um definitely could be the deeper I think about it just like logically speaking there probably are other advanced Yeah. intelligence. I've had that I've had that belief for a long time.
(56:23) Like who are we to think that right if you believe space isn't fake and the universe is as vast and as large as it is that we would be the only planet with intelligent life on it. It seems what's going on right now too is that you have a gradual uh release of this information rather than like a blue bean type event where you project this image of an advanced intelligence that says surrender all your guns and uh walk into this concentration camp uh because we say so.
(56:57) Um, it seems to be like a slow progression, a slow drip of, "Hey, this is happening and we don't want to shock you." Yeah. Yeah. You see, last time Matt was on, it was the week that uh that one intelligence official just flippantly said, "Oh, we have technology that can bend space and time." Like, on to the next thing. Yeah.
(57:19) It's like, "Oh, what what was that?" Well, light disclosure, nonchalant, right? sort of matter of fact like, oh yeah, we have this stuff. Wow, man. It's a great time to be alive, especially if you have minds like Andrew and I where we can run down these rabbit holes. Keeps me busy. It's interesting from a business perspective.
(57:41) It's like, oh yeah, we're working on Bitcoin and energy and energy infrastructure and energy settlements. Great. Uh AI also pretty cool. Um, but then you may have like anti-gravity technology out there or something like remote viewing, uh, whatever it is that could just completely change everything again um, after you put in all this this work to just like improve on the current system and like classical physics.
(58:09) Uh, it's interesting to think about on a Friday night. Yeah. Is my entire strategy wrong? Is it? But if it is wrong, if we do have like access to some advanced physics that we previously didn't understand that enables free energy, like it seems we could all be better off. Yeah, that seems pretty sweet, right? Yeah.
(58:31) Yeah, I agree. Yeah, we don't have to we don't have to go build these businesses. We just have free energy. We can just turn some think we need a purpose of some sort, right? Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Do you believe in Atlantis? Like what was that society like? Because that's the whole theory there is they had this.
(58:53) It's a good question. Is free energy. Were they like talking about like put me down this path? Was the purpose thing was the uh was their purpose like higher level instead of economic more intellectual spiritual aesthetic? I don't know much about it. I like But I do like the Randall Carlson uh analysis of this, which is that there was likely an advanced one or more advanced civilizations that have come before us and mostly got wiped out through some cataclysmic event like an asteroid and maybe some survivors, you know, went deep underground to survive
(59:33) and there's like real tunnels. There's tunnels out there. Yeah, there's a lot of tunnels. Yeah. Um and then like the dark side of the moon, what's up there? Maybe some ancient humans that then are like receding technology onto Earth. This is kind of the premise of the Azimoff Foundation series. Yeah, something like that.
(59:50) Yeah. I mean, the evidence I I go back and rewatch that one Randall Carlson um Grant Hancock Rogan episode from like four or five years ago where they talk about the younger dus period in that asteroid that hit probably north of Canada and like they take the drones to Washington State and you can see like the flood ripples in the landscape.
(1:00:11) It's like, oh yeah, that that seems like clearly there was a massive body of water that was flowing over this land. Mhm. They have cave paintings that look like spaceships and aliens and Yeah. They're not just in one place. They're like the same paintings in like five different spots on Earth. Yeah.
(1:00:27) And then the pyramids alone, the way they're set up in different parts of the world are very very similar. Yeah. I mean Tesla was a big believer in this stuff too. Like he built his coil in Colorado for a specific reason, right? Sort of like the cross point there was very conducive to what he was trying to do. I'm not sure.
(1:00:44) I thought maybe the location was more around um less interference from other EMF, but yeah, I did read read about that recently that he he did it in Colorado. God, I love this [ __ ] It's a center point between like the Mayan pyramids, the ones in Antarctica. Yep. The ones in Egypt. Who knows? Yeah, this stuff's awesome. I hope it's all true because that'd be sick.
(1:01:20) Like if you could tap into that. It's just the whole idea that we're the way we perceive reality is um I don't want to say defunct, but I mean people experience this on psychedelics like you have a very obvious like oh this is another way to perceive reality. I'm sort of rambling now, but like the whole um I'll take the ramble off your plate.
(1:01:44) Um I've got a a friend, a mentor who I'll just say was very uh deep into the intelligence agencies from a very early day and essentially recruited to do something. Yeah. So he had told me and my my brother and my dad about this uh about remote viewing about 20 years ago. It's like before the men who stare at goats came out there was it was already um declassified but it was like nobody had heard about it.
(1:02:26) And so like 20 years ago me and my brother are playing around with remote viewing. Like I did not go as deep into it as he did but he very much like remote viewed some [ __ ] remote viewed some [ __ ] And so like we're you're, you know, [ __ ] 13, 14, 15 years old hearing about telepathy and that it's a real thing and it's a government program and you know the guy who actually was there evaluating it and you fast forward to today and you hear like Matt Matt Pines on your podcast talking about it or like Jacqu Valet on Joe Rogan recently like this he's
(1:02:58) telling a story about a downed Russian aircraft that they had they found through remote viewing and then uh you know went and tracked it down and and recovered the craft. It's like heard that story a long time ago and now it's coming back. Um yeah, I just think there's a a deeper uh there's a deeper ability to our mind that we don't really appreciate.
(1:03:27) um that like some of the got some interesting advice from this friend over the years where one of the things was my own appreciation for the mind being this sort of infinite well of knowledge and and what I told him at lunch one time is that I think that I have all the knowledge in my mind I just need to unlock the doors to it but basically I can I can acquire an infinite amount of knowledge with enough time and enough effort and he was like basically yes he's like effectively the mind is an antenna. That's how he looks
(1:03:59) at it. That then is able to take in all of this univers universal knowledge which is what Tesla said and Tesla writes that in his biography uh or his autobiography. Um, another interesting thing that that this person has has told me is kind of asked like what's important like what should we be focused on? And his advice and what he actually has spent a lot of his time on in retirement is local economic development.
(1:04:33) Like why is local economic development important? It's like when you think about the way the economy works today and everything's become centralized and overly regulated and what really matters is like and this ties back to Bitcoin too which is like local economic development. You need like individual liberties, individual uh you know pursuits, development, commerce, all of those things so that local communities can build back up and like humanity continue to survive and and to thrive.
(1:04:59) Um, and the the third other like piece of advice that he gave me that always stuck with me is don't give up the ship. So, there's this uh I think War of 1812 naval captain who was like he'd been shot, you know, telling his men as he's dying, don't give up the ship. So, I just think I think about those things that I've been told and like where we're trying to go as a as a civilization and go back to like what Matt Pines has talked about which is like are we just trying out for a galactic federation of enlightened
(1:05:38) species? Maybe we are. And even if we're not, we should still be pursuing these things in this way. Um, so I don't know. I took those to heart and I I continue to think that like there's a chance for us and it could be really really interesting what the future looks like. I very much align with you. Yeah.
(1:05:58) I I forget if it was Du. It probably was Drew like in the early episodes that I recorded with him like this idea and it's I talked about this with Matt when he was on. We talked about this recon convergence of Bitcoin AI and UAP and the timing of it is just like too perfect. um all these things converging at the same time if you're paying attention most people aren't paying attention to any of them individually but and there's even less people paying attention to all of them collectively and if you just look at the timing of it it's like almost like we
(1:06:28) are like in this um how do you describe it this uh uh what are we doing audition phase audition yeah this audition phase to get in this has stuck with me since the early days of this show, Drew basically saying like what if Bitcoin is one of those tests where it's like you have to prove that you can create a monetary system that operates in this way by doing so you are mature enough to enter this intergalactic conversation society whatever you want to call it like you you figured out money congrats you are sufficiently advanced to
(1:07:07) have these conversations and be part of the conversation getting called up to the big leagues yeah Then like I I forget if this we recorded this but I don't think he wouldn't mind me saying but then like I as a Catholic he had this like [ __ ] existential like how does this compute with your religion concept of God and all that and there's been many priests that have written books about right Catholicism and the age of disclosure or whatever.
(1:07:34) What are your thoughts on that? Uh I think I'm still grappling with them honestly. Uh, I think it can go about the hubris of us thinking that we're the only life in the universe. Maybe it's also hubistic to think that God only created life on this planet as well. Right? There is sort of benevolent omnisient God out there. Say a similar view for me.
(1:08:08) I I I tend to believe there's an almighty God which could be the infinite energy that connects us all which is potentially intelligent and benevolent but potentially or at times indifferent. Um and then like a level below that would be like advanced intelligence. Call them angels, demons, aliens, advanced life, whatever they are.
(1:08:34) And we're trying to sort of get to that level right now. Yeah. Without being demons, ideally. Yeah. Don't be a demon. Don't wear baffomet costumes for Halloween cuz I'm automatically going to think you're a demon. I mean, I've definitely thrown up some devil horns and some [ __ ] like that in my time. Not intentionally.
(1:08:57) Just didn't know any better. Yeah. I mean, I participated in the uh the Luciferian ritual of Halloween many many years in my We're all sinners. Yeah, we are. Fun stuff. Hope you guys enjoyed this one. Zero drugs used in the making of this podcast. Yeah. I don't The drugs are not uh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No methylene blue. The only drug the only drugs I'm doing these days are nicotine, caffeine, and and alcohol.
(1:09:28) Not that I was ever big into drugs anyway, but Right. Yeah. Yeah. This I mean, I love these. That's why I love talking to you. Andrew and I have a a chat where every once in a while you'll throw me like a share some podcast. Share some podcasts. Like you have to have this guy on. Um Yeah. But in the meantime, we can talk about all this impending title wave of AI potential disclosure getting to the next level.
(1:09:59) But we got to get work done in the meantime. We do. We got to we got to build energy. We got to get Bitcoin into more people's hands, right? Don't give up the ship. Don't give up the ship. And it's actually funny like talking about like locality moving back to my hometown and I've been very introspective about this move.
(1:10:22) It's I haven't been home in 17 years. I've been home but I haven't lived in my home city and half been gone for half my life now at this point. It's crazy to think, but there is this sort of like internal I feel like pull towards my hometown for that reason. Like it feels like I need to get back to my roots and contribute to the place where I grew up.
(1:10:49) See you in the Citadels. Wrong podcast. We're going to save. Philadelphia doesn't need saving. I'm excited to get home. I guess that's what I'm saying. It'll be cool. Yeah. build up your uh you know community there. Yeah, I'm cool to see you continue building out Satoshi Energy. Thank you.
(1:11:10) Let's get Bit Current into as many hands as possible. Yeah, we're trying to being super aggressive with that, too. Could be an open source project at the end of the day. Who knows? Who knows? We'll find out. Andrew, always a pleasure, sir. Great way to end the week. Yeah, likewise. Thank you, man. Good to be here. All right.
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