MMR Vaccines Kill More Than Measles, The Data
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Published: 2026-09-08
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[0:07] Marty Bent: You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free.

[0:09] Nic Hulscher: Let me talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven.

[0:18] Marty Bent: I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

[0:29] Nic Hulscher: I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

[0:31] Marty Bent: If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

[0:33] Nic Hulscher: Probably should be. Probably should be.

[0:34] Marty Bent: Nick Holscher, welcome back to the show, sir.

[0:38] Nic Hulscher: Thanks for having me.

[0:40] Marty Bent: Well, it's crazy times out there. I DM'd you, I think about a week ago when Governor Shapiro was on his media tour trying to fearmonger the public in Pennsylvania about 2 measles deaths. in the state as a citizen of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, that frightened me a lot, especially considering the draconian laws they were trying to push through and rules they were trying to push through as it pertains to this state or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's ability to intrude in schools and houses if they deem somebody not on— or they deem that somebody is not caught up in the vaccine schedule. So I figured we'd start there. What's going on in Pennsylvania? It looks like Josh Shapiro has some egg on his face, but that story has somewhat been brushed under the rug of the 24-hour news cycle. But I don't want to let it go. How did that play out in your mind? What exactly happened?

[1:39] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, so this was an absolute disaster debacle. So basically what occurred was, you know, Pennsylvania announced 2 measles-associated deaths, and none of them appeared to have actually been caused by measles. This whole story appears to have been fabricated. And so the first so-called measles death that was confirmed by the coroner was actually due to a ruptured spleen, a laceration. The infant unfortunately died of internal bleeding. It had nothing to do with measles. Again, confirmed by the county coroner at Lancaster County. The second so-called death, there's been absolutely no case details, no age, no contributing factors, no clinical vignette report. There's been absolutely nothing. And so we can probably assume the second one also was not a measles death, if it was not entirely fabricated.

[5:24] Marty Bent: Yeah, it was funny watching the, uh, uh, what's the show from the '70s with, uh, Marcia?

[5:32] Nic Hulscher: The Brady Bunch?

[5:33] Marty Bent: The Brady Bunch. That clip of the, the measles episode where they were having a measles party, um, just to get natural immunity from it. It's funny how common it was back then. It was just accepted, like, yeah, measles is, uh, a virus that exists. You can get it, and, um, most people just put up with it and actually looked forward to natural immunity. And I, I guess one of the questions I have is, how deadly is measles?

[6:00] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, so measles is not deadly. It's very mild. It's more mild than the flu, has a much lower case fatality rate. And yeah, children used to have measles parties because they wanted to get immunity for it. And it was a very mild, self-limited illness. And, you know, you see these hospitalization rates that the mass media likes to propagate with measles. Well, those children are hospitalized for measles for containment measures, right? They're told to go into the hospital so they don't spread it, not because they're, you know, sick and dying. And so that falsely inflates that hospitalization rate. And most, vast majority of people will get over it just fine. It, uh, and in fact, infection with natural measles is associated, and you can't even make this up, with, with reduced cancer risk later in life.

[7:00] Marty Bent: Yeah, it's, uh, it's insane. And bringing it back to Pennsylvania specifically, one thing that really, uh, perturbs me makes me angry is a lot of— I think as somebody who grew up in Pennsylvania and understands the politics of the Commonwealth, the Amish are a problem for the people in power because they are this isolated group, a control group, if you will, that have been doing things their own way for many decades. They're one of the fastest-growing populations in the country. And I think the state, and particularly the governor's office, views the Amish as a problem because you have an example of a cohort of people who have not engaged in any of the vaccine schedule, and they seem to be thriving.

[8:17] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, exactly. They don't want— they want to smear the Amish and avoid studying them because they'll find they're much less sick, they have way less chronic disease, and they have way less autism. Because they don't take large batteries of vaccines. They don't— they're not subjected to 72 doses by age 18 and 32 doses by age 2. And so they're far healthier. And yeah, they don't want people to know that, that a group that's not following public health recommendations is actually faring much better.

[8:55] Marty Bent: Okay. And a lot of this seems reactionary from Pennsylvania and a number of other states in the Northeast, particularly reactionary to the Department of Health and Human Services, which has relaxed the vaccine schedule this year. I think many people were waiting with bated breath for something to happen around the vaccine schedule with RFK at the helm. We finally got something that seems like a lot of states are Reacting negatively. Another thing that we should bring up with Pennsylvania too, being a Philadelphia— a citizen of Philadelphia, born and raised on the playground where I spent most of my days, the big pharma city, big pharma state. And that was one of the frustrating things a couple weeks ago that if you're on the outside looking in, you may not understand that the pharma industry is pretty massive in Pennsylvania.

[9:50] Nic Hulscher: Right, right. Definitely. Yeah. Pharma-captured states, you know, they're going to continue to push fraudulent and dangerous vaccine recommendations despite what the new HHS guidance is. And they're going to be following the American Academy of Pediatrics vaccine recommendations, which are extremely dangerous. which includes injecting children with over 72 doses by age 18, none of which were properly tested in a pre-licensing placebo-controlled trial, and none of which were tested in cumulative fashion. So they don't know what happens when you inject that much into a child. And so they're following recommendations of American Academy of Pediatrics, which is being now sued in a federal lawsuit, a federal RICO lawsuit, racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act lawsuit for running a vaccine racketeering scheme for the past 30 years. And so this, this is the situation we're in now.

[11:01] Marty Bent: Really? I did not under— I did not realize this was going on. What, what is the, the thesis behind the RICO case? What are they claiming?

[11:10] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, so basically what's occurred, or what they're alleging this lawsuit is that basically the American Academy of Pediatrics receives large sums of money from Merck, other childhood vaccine makers, Pfizer, and Moderna. And in exchange for that money, they push dangerous and fraudulent vaccine recommendations. And so basically they're pushing untested and dangerous vaccines, including COVID-19 mRNA shots on infants. in exchange for that industry money. And so this does appear to be a racketeering scheme at the cost of American health and American lives. And it's an organized operation.

[12:04] Marty Bent: What's the state of that trial? Is it still in discovery?

[12:08] Nic Hulscher: Well, that lawsuit was filed a few months ago. There has not been any updates since. It was filed by Children's Health Defense's legal team.

[12:21] Marty Bent: They've been doing incredible, incredible work. And again, going back to the 24-hour news cycle, that's the one thing— that's why I have a lot of people— we've had Jessica Rose on recently, um, who was talking about, um, the, the fact that Fauci knew that the COVID mRNA vaccine was affecting the placentas of women and affecting pregnancies. And a lot of people in the comments are like, why do you keep bringing people on to discuss this stuff? So we need accountability. Not only do we need accountability, but it seems like because of the 24-hour news cycle, people have short-term amnesia and forget what we just went through with the COVID mRNA vaccines.

[13:44] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, so they're pushing mRNA now for everything— for flu, for cancer, for COVID, and for RSV. And they're developing it for every other disease you can think of, including asthma. I mean, chronic diseases and other sorts of things. So with the cancer study we just published, it actually is the most comprehensive to date looking at the link between COVID vaccines and cancer. And yeah, we found there's 35 distinct mechanisms that mRNA technology can promote or induce or accelerate cancer. And it spans so many different things. It spans genomic integration, insertional mutagenesis, transcription errors. So basically the messenger RNA is read incorrectly by your ribosomes and makes monster proteins.

[15:37] Marty Bent: Right.

[15:37] Nic Hulscher: And then you introduce these multi-concurrent hit cancerous mechanisms with mRNA shots, and the time to clinical cancer compresses from decades to a month. And unfortunately, that's what's called a turbo cancer. And so we found that. And then lastly, we looked at the population data, official CDC Wonder Mortality Database data. And we found since 2021, since the mRNA shots rolled out, there's been over 150,000 more cancer deaths than normal among Americans. 150,000 excess cancer deaths, right? Since the mRNA injections rolled out, the graph keeps going up. So more and more people are dying from cancer than normal. And it continues to accelerate. And so it's not like it's going down back to normal. It appears these turbo cancers are here to stay.

[16:42] Marty Bent: Yeah, it's shocking. And again, going back to what I was saying, the fact that we're speedrunning into this stuff without having certainty around it, it seems like we have certainty the other way, that this is something that we should probably pause and look into because it's severely hurting people. I think we mentioned it earlier, but the mRNA flu vaccine, again, Jessica Rose came on to discuss the study that was released that showed that it had a higher fatality rate than the normal flu vaccine, or higher adverse event rate than the normal flu vaccine. And then the trials, again, going back to the basics, we discussed this in March when you were first on.

[17:59] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, it's, it's another disaster. So actually, we, we published that study, uh, that reanalysis of the clinical trial data for MFluciva, the mRNA flu shot by Moderna. And we found, um, it's very, very concerning because the FDA themselves and Moderna, they should have done this analysis. It's called a risk-benefit analysis. What they did in the FDA briefing document used to approve it was they didn't do any analysis. They just listed these numbers in giant tables, hoping nobody would connect the dots. And so we calculated what was called number needed to harm and numbers needed to vaccinate and compared what would be needed to prevent certain things.

[20:34] Marty Bent: It makes you wonder, how can they push it? I mean, you can see how they can push it through. They just sign papers and push it through. But Do these people have consciences? Is it all greed? Is it the— I mean, again, I think I said this in March when we first met, like, it forces you to think conspiratorially. Are they trying to depopulate part of the population? When you consider the data, and the data's out there, it's mind-boggling, almost like the country and the world, to a certain extent, is under a spell. They've conditioned people over time successfully enough to just trust the experts, that they're gonna provide them with good medicine or good vaccines at the end of the day.

[21:23] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, yeah, it's, um, there definitely is a real conspiracy going on, at least with the fact that the FDA and regulatory agencies are still captured by the pharmaceutical industry, and they will just rubber stamp anything with mRNA on it. It doesn't matter how many deaths or people you have to sacrifice to do anything. It doesn't matter how much more likely you are to die from it. They will just rubber stamp it anyways. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work. They want to just rush everything in. They want mRNA for every disease you can think of, and they want to inject the entire population with synthetic genetic material.

[22:11] Marty Bent: Is there any route you could see where mRNA makes sense, where it can be safe, where it's a good option and actually a technology that, that could help make people healthier or—

[22:27] Nic Hulscher: No. And that's, that's the fatal mistake many people make, including tech people involved in technology and AI, because the recent push was for mRNA for cancer. Elon Musk has pushed this. He says it has promise for cancer, and many other individuals with no health expertise have stated the same. But a recent development has contradicted that quite significantly. BioNTech just had to terminate their mRNA cancer vaccine trial because it killed too many cancer patients compared to doing absolutely nothing. They had colon cancer patients, like hundreds of them. The mRNA group got up to 15 mRNA cancer boosters administered through IV, and the other group did nothing.

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[27:42] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, exactly. And that's another thing, this compound mRNA vaccination, they never They never study the interactions now between all these. So you're right, for the people they're telling to get the mRNA flu shot, they're going to tell them to get the mRNA COVID booster at the same time. And these are what are called high-risk hosts, people who are already exposed to multiple mRNA boosters, and then injecting them with a new type of mRNA booster, and 2 of them at the same time, they don't know how that's going to interact. And some elderly, They'll be told to get the RSV mRNA booster shot, the flu mRNA booster shot, and the COVID mRNA booster shot at the same time with zero data showing that that's safe.

[28:55] Marty Bent: Do you have any confidence that it will be stopped?

[28:58] Nic Hulscher: Unfortunately, I have very low confidence. We're trying everything we can to try and stop it. You know, like, we're sending these studies as quickly as possible. We're conducting these studies as quickly as possible and sending it To HHS and FDA and NIH officials, but unfortunately, it seems many of them don't care. And so, while we are trying to help stop it, I don't have a high level of confidence that they will. But you know, sitting back and doing nothing would be even worse. So we're going to continue to try and expose this disaster, and we're not going to stop despite the fact. That people are demoralized and they don't want to hear about it anymore, that's irrelevant, right?

[30:17] Marty Bent: Yeah, again, it's hard, hard to discern whether these pushes are seeped in nefarious— nefariousness or greed or a combination of two. I would not be shocked if it's a combination of the two, but I think for certain greed is at the core of a lot of what's going on here. There's a lot of money In this stuff. And I think another thing that you've highlighted recently is the fact you've done research on alternative cancer treatments. And some people are going to be pushed towards mRNA. The big pharma company is going to make a lot of money from that. But in a recent study, you found that 84% of cancer patients taking ivermectin and bendazole declared complete remission, tumor shrinkage, and halted cancer growth after 6 months.

[31:38] Nic Hulscher: I have a very high level of confidence. And we have to remember the clinical benefit signal of 84% declaring their cancers either regressed, disappeared, or stayed the same. That's an extremely large clinical benefit signal that's not seen with chemo and these other drugs, not even close. And so Our study was what's called a real-world study where it's like people undergoing already— some of them were doing chemo, some of them were doing radiation, some had surgery, some were taking other supplements. So it's what you would see in a real-world cohort of cancer patients, right? So it's applicable to not just taking ivermectin, but doing other things as well.

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[36:55] Nic Hulscher: Yeah. So, there's actually across hundreds of preclinical studies now, there's over 12 distinct anti-cancer mechanisms across over 12 cancer types. So in the laboratory, when they expose human cancer cells to ivermectin or membenzol or fenbendazole, it kills those cancer cells with 12 mechanisms. The main mechanism is it literally induces apoptosis or programmed cell death specifically in cancer cells, not healthy cells. It cuts off angiogenesis, which is the blood supply to tumors. So it literally stops that tumor spread by cutting off the blood supply. It inhibits the glycolysis in these tumors so they cannot take up sugar to help grow anymore. It disrupts microtubules in cancer cells, which is a cell scaffolding essential for cancer cell division.

[38:34] Marty Bent: How long have people been experimenting with this for cancer treatment?

[38:38] Nic Hulscher: It's really only started to blow up, at least preclinically, over the past 15, 20 years. Before that, there was only a few little isolated studies here and there. In fact, the CIA had a document in the 1950s. They had a Soviet study that found antiparasitics have anti-tumor activity in the 1950s, but they classified it. They classified it for over 60 years, and that wasn't declassified till 2010. And so that significantly set back this research for over half a century. So that was very concerning. So now we're picking up the pieces and we are finding that this is— that antiparasitics are a very promising, very promising cancer treatment.

[39:34] Marty Bent: I mean, again, going back to being forced to be conspiratorial, like why classify information that would be beneficial for the public to know as it pertains to cancer, which especially When you consider how terrible cancer is for individuals and their families going through it. I mean, cancer sucks is a meme for a reason. It is one of the worst ways to go. It can be a slow, painful, and monotonous death. It can be very quick with turbo cancers, but either way, it's not a dignified way to go out. And you would think that if the government had any inkling That there was a way to cure people of their cancer in a better way, in a less harmful way compared to chemotherapy, they would be all over that.

[40:20] Nic Hulscher: Exactly. So the main problem here now is the conventional oncologists, you know, patients will bring up to their conventional oncologists that they want to take ivermectin or mebendazole and add it on to their treatment they're already doing, not replace it, Add it on. And their oncologists are telling them, no, it's dangerous, it doesn't work. And so that's the main barrier here. And so they're going to be forced to obtain the ivermectin from either India or other sources in the US from a different doctor. So cancer patients— or cancer doctors are firing their cancer patients because they want to take an alternative treatment. So that's a major issue that's currently ongoing.

[42:10] Marty Bent: Well, is there any efficacy to the it's dangerous? Because from what I understand, diving into ivermectin specifically— I don't know much about membenzol— but you have people taking ivermectin daily as an anti-malaria drug in countries throughout Africa. And from what I understand, when I was diving deep into it during the COVID times, like, it is pretty— I wouldn't say benign, but it's— you're not at high risk if you're taking a low dose of ivermectin every day. And like, how could they claim something like that is dangerous? It's been described as a miracle drug.

[42:46] Nic Hulscher: Exactly. It's safer than Tylenol. It's safer than Tylenol. It's less toxic to the liver than one of the most commonly used painkillers. And so it's safer than ibuprofen. It's a very safe compound. Now, obviously, you can't take 50 pills. You'll probably die if you overdose on it. It's not inert. But comparatively to every single other drug people take on a daily basis, it is safer. And so particularly if you have cancer or a severe illness, it's not going to be very risky. It's not. The only time it could be risky is if you have liver failure already and you can't process it. Okay, then, okay, I would understand the concern.

[44:15] Marty Bent: What can people who are listening who agree, maybe not agree, but are listening to this, have listened to the first discussion we had earlier this year, and have listened to other conversations we've had with doctors who are on the same tip saying, hey, these things may be dangerous. There are safer ways to do this. There is a perverse incentive that enters the equation between big pharma, governments, and stakeholders who have an incentive to push this. On the public? What does any engaged, worried citizen need to be doing as this stuff is getting rolled out? And how can we turn the tides? And again, I've had dozens of conversations like this over the last 5 years, 6 years now.

[45:44] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, well, the easiest thing people can do studying at home is to just share this information, share these new studies with your friends and family, right? If everybody did that across the United States or across the world, people would simply just refuse these new mRNA shots. And, you know, they would be forced to not give them anymore. So that's the easiest thing you can do, is just at least warn your close family members, warn your friends, and show them the evidence. The second thing people can do is start your own podcast, start your own social media accounts, and share it online, which will reach a large— far larger number of people than, you know, just your friends and family.

[47:54] Marty Bent: Don't be afraid.

[47:55] Nic Hulscher: Share it.

[47:56] Marty Bent: Because I think of the elderly in my life who are picking up the remote, turning on mainstream media, getting the directions from the newscasters, like, oh, they have a new mRNA flu vaccine. And that is one thing I'll be doing is saying, hey, if you're going to go get the flu vaccine, I haven't gotten it since I was in high school. I don't recommend it. But you do what you do. At the very least, don't get this new mRNA vaccine. Just go with the old one. That's one thing. But it is crazy, the grip that the mainstream media and just the groupthink around Big Pharma has on some people's minds. You're quickly cast away as a quack for even trying to broach the subject in many, many cases. I've found personally that, uh, don't get, don't get too discouraged when you get, uh, cast as a, as a quack. There, there have been some successful conversions through very light touch, uh, nudging people towards the research and the data.

[49:03] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can't be afraid of what other people say about you, and you know, that's the main barrier to people speaking out. You know, they don't want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist or, you know, an anti-vaxxer or, you know, whatever. So what people have to do, you just have to block that out. You know, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter because there's actually a larger proportion of people now that will actually not label you those things. And they want to hear this vital information. And those using derogatory terms like anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist You know, they're, they're on the losing end here, right? People don't trust them anymore. So really, it's completely irrelevant what they say now. As long as we follow the actual data and we report what the actual data is showing, you just got to tell the truth. And if you do that, you know, you will be in a much better situation and so will the world. Yeah.

[50:10] Marty Bent: Last thing I want to end it on, selfish topic, because I saw this on your feed and was like, oh, this is interesting. And it's also focusing on positive things, cheap solutions. And it has nothing to do with the flu or cancer, but you had a new study that found that magnesium made participants' brains perform 7.5 years younger in just 6 weeks. Placebo-controlled trial found 2 grams Magnesium L-threonate daily produced significant improvements in overall cognition, working memory, reaction time. I don't use magnesium L-threonate, but I do use magnesium L-arginine every night. And magnesium, for me personally, over the last, I think, 3 years, my wife and I have been religiously rubbing magnesium L-arginine on the bottom of our feet. And it helps me sleep better. I wake up energized. What is it about magnesium that is producing these, these positive results? And what— how should we view the different types of magnesium that are out there?

[51:16] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, magnesium is critical for thousands of cellular and enzymatic processes in the human body, specifically in the brain, right? Your brain needs magnesium. The neurons need magnesium. to carry out their functions adequately. And so when you're deficient in magnesium, like most people are now because foods are, are void of it now, the soil's void of it, the tap water doesn't have it, and the bottled— some bottled waters don't have it, um, you know, you're going to be deficient. You drink a large amount of coffee, you're going to be peeing all that out, and, um, and then you'll be left with no adequate magnesium stores. So What that specific study showed was it was a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial, literally the strongest type of study you could do.

[54:00] Marty Bent: And these are relatively cheap as well.

[54:03] Nic Hulscher: Yeah. Oh, they're very cheap. Now, L-threonate is kind of expensive. L-threonate is kind of expensive. In fact, it might be the most expensive one. But glycinate is very cheap and it does very similar things. The one that doesn't do much for this is magnesium oxide. This one, basically, that's if you need to, you know, you need a laxative, you'll take large amounts of magnesium oxide. It doesn't absorb very well. Yeah.

[54:32] Marty Bent: No, it's the L-arginine that my wife and I have been taking. Again, sleep like a rock. I get 8 hours of sleep straight, no disturbance. Feel refreshed when I wake up. I definitely, I think it helps the brain. But no, I think it's another topic that sort of attacks what we were discussing for most of the conversation from the other end, which is preventative. Like, make sure your body has enough nutrients, make sure you're working out, and get to a physical state where you don't have to even think about having to take an mRNA cancer vaccine or cancer treatment.

[55:12] Nic Hulscher: Exactly.

[55:16] Marty Bent: And notice that you're deficient in a lot of these, uh, a lot of these minerals, magnesium being one of the most important.

[55:22] Nic Hulscher: Yeah, exactly. Just classic lifestyle things are way more effective than taking a gene therapy. And that's again what people need to understand, like just, just getting sunlight and adequate vitamin D. I mean, just doing that's going to decrease your risk of cancer death, reduce your risk of all cause death, reduce your risk of diabetes, reduce your risk of internal cancers, and basically improve your mood at the same time. And so, you know, and improve your immune system and fight off against the very diseases you're taking the mRNA injections for and does it more effectively. So yeah, we, you know, just these basic things is really all we need to do.

[56:16] Marty Bent: Yeah. Think about it. Nick, we're headed into Labor Day weekend. I know it's Friday. I hope you enjoy it. Get some rest. I know you've been on the front lines vigorously defending the rights of individuals and trying to get good information out there. Not trying, successfully getting good information out there. And I thank you for joining us to update our audience because I think, again, extremely important. I'm not giving this up. This will be a beat that I cover until we get accountability and more sensible medical policy in this country.

[56:49] Nic Hulscher: Well, thanks for having me.

[56:51] Marty Bent: All right. Peace and love, freaks.

[56:54] Nic Hulscher: Okay.

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