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How Woke Took Over America | Andrew Gutmann

How Woke Took Over America | Andrew Gutmann

Mar 16, 2024
TFTC Podcast

How Woke Took Over America | Andrew Gutmann

This TFTC episode features a deep dive into the relationship between monetary policy, economic disparity, and the rise of 'woke' culture. Andrew Gutmann provides insights into his time at the Federal Reserve during the Alan Greenspan era, known for the Greenspan Put, a policy approach that aimed to prevent financial market failures at all costs. This policy, according to Gutmann, marks the beginning of a series of mistakes leading to the current economic and cultural challenges.

The conversation pivots to the impact of monetary policy on income inequality and the middle class. Gutmann argues that the Federal Reserve's aversion to deflation and preference for low-interest rates, despite the potential deflationary effects of globalization, led to misallocated capital, which disproportionately inflated financial assets and the cost of non-tradeable goods like education, healthcare, and real estate. This, in turn, has contributed to the wealth disparity and provided a fertile ground for anti-capitalist sentiments, particularly among the young, who face the brunt of these economic distortions.

Gutmann also touches upon the current state of the Federal Reserve under Jerome Powell's leadership, facing the dilemma of controlling inflation while preventing a banking crisis. The discussion also raises concerns about the future, including the potential for hyperinflation or deflation as a result of unsustainable economic policies and practices that have been built up over decades.

Best Quotes

  • "I think income inequality, I said pre-woke, pre-2020, that income inequality and this wealth disparity that you referred to was really the greatest problem affecting America and probably the world." - Andrew Gutmann
  • "We're never going to let Wall Street fail. Every time there's the hint of a crisis, they start to reinflate. And this is just a cycle that never ends." - Andrew Gutmann
  • "In some ways, money is simple. It's stuff we can use to buy things. But on the other hand, it's kind of much more complex. And I think very few people, even economists, understand how important it is, how important interest rates are, what the true drivers of inflation are, what the mechanism is for money creation." - Andrew Gutmann
  • "It's not capitalism, it's the lack of capitalism. And the most important reason why we don't have capitalism is because of the central bank, by controlling interest rates, which is the most important price in the economy, the price of money." - Andrew Gutmann
  • "Capitalism doesn't work when you don't allow things to fail." - Andrew Gutmann on the necessity of creative destruction for a functional capitalist system.


The episode reflects a critical examination of the Federal Reserve's policies and their far-reaching consequences on society. Andrew Gutmann's perspective is that these policies have not only distorted the economy but have also contributed to the cultural and educational shifts that challenge America's founding values. While the conversation acknowledges the complexity of these issues, it emphasizes the importance of understanding the fundamental role of money and interest rates in shaping our economic and social landscapes.

Gutmann's reflections on the current state of affairs under Jerome Powell suggest a grim outlook for the Federal Reserve's ability to navigate the impending economic challenges without significant pain. The episode's overarching message is a call to recognize and address the root causes of these systemic problems, particularly the actions of central banks, to avert a crisis that could either lead to hyperinflation or a deflationary spiral.

The conversation ends on a note that, despite the challenges, there is room for hope and action, particularly through political engagement and education that reaffirms the principles of capitalism and meritocracy. Gutmann's campaign for Congress is presented as part of a broader effort to steer the country back toward its foundational values and away from the brink of economic disaster.


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